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misscris_01 DeleteThis @yahoo.com (cristin) wrote in message
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 > Approximately how long does it take to set up a detailed web site that
 > is catchy and concise?

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It usually takes me approximately one month to complete a 5 page
website as long as the client works with me to keep the project
moving.

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misscris_01 DeleteThis @yahoo.com (cristin) wrote in message
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winday DeleteThis @REMOVETHISwordsplus.net says...
 > On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 15:32:37 -0500, misscris_01 DeleteThis @yahoo.com (cristin)
 > wrote:
 >
  > >Approximately how long does it take to set up a detailed web site that
  > >is catchy and concise?
 >
 > In my experience as a web developer, it takes the client a whole lot
 > longer to come up with all of the content than it does for the
 > developer to design, code, test, and deploy the site.

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On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 15:32:37 -0500, misscris_01.DeleteThis@yahoo.com (cristin) wrote:

 >Approximately how long does it take to set up a detailed web site that
 >is catchy and concise?

Howdy,

I kind of like the "How long is a piece of string?" {grin}.

Hit <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://bizycart.com/Calculator.htm" target="_blank">http://bizycart.com/Calculator.htm</a> and you can run up your own estimates
on the kind of site you have in mind. It's based on input from a number of
web designers and my own time tracking.

Less experienced web designers would charge half the $65.00 or less but will
also require two to four times the number of hours. What one designer can
get on-line in less than a week may take someone else several months.

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It should not take more then a week to develop 5 pages website
if page content and images are ready.

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ApacheCom

Chris Gunn <cgunn.RemoveThis@bizynet.com> wrote in message
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 > On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 15:32:37 -0500, misscris_01.RemoveThis@yahoo.com (cristin) wrote:
 >
  > >Approximately how long does it take to set up a detailed web site that
  > >is catchy and concise?
 >
 > Howdy,
 >
 > I kind of like the "How long is a piece of string?" {grin}.
 >
 > Hit <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://bizycart.com/Calculator.htm" target="_blank">http://bizycart.com/Calculator.htm</a> and you can run up your own estimates
 > on the kind of site you have in mind. It's based on input from a number of
 > web designers and my own time tracking.
 >
 > Less experienced web designers would charge half the $65.00 or less but will
 > also require two to four times the number of hours. What one designer can
 > get on-line in less than a week may take someone else several months.
 >
<font color=purple> > Thanks, Chris <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.bizynet.com</font" target="_blank">http://www.bizynet.com</font</a>>
 > BIZynet Coordinator cgunn.RemoveThis@bizynet.com
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 > biz.marketplace.web-design, biz.marketplace.international & others<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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misscris_01.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com (cristin) wrote in message
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 > Approximately how long does it take to set up a detailed web site that
 > is catchy and concise?

Desinging a website should be thought about, and as much time as you
need should be used in order to create a website that looks effective
and contains detail in content and design. The website must contain a
colour scheme, as well as looking neat and professional. The time it
take depends on the quality of thje website, how many pages are
required and what features have to be implemented. It's "Quality - not
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On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:19:03 -0500, jconlon2003.DeleteThis@fsmail.net (Joe)
wrote:

 >misscris_01@yahoo.com (cristin) wrote in message
 >news:<eehbovs1kj0756ddtq6pt60jodqa64t0ce.DeleteThis@4ax.com>...
  >> Approximately how long does it take to set up a detailed web site that
  >> is catchy and concise?
 >
 >Desinging a website should be thought about, and as much time as you
 >need should be used in order to create a website that looks effective
 >and contains detail in content and design. The website must contain a
 >colour scheme, as well as looking neat and professional. The time it
 >take depends on the quality of thje website, how many pages are
 >required and what features have to be implemented. It's "Quality - not
 >Content."

I disagree wholeheartedly, and I'm a web developer.

Content is king. You might catch their eye with a pretty design and
coordinated colour scheme, but it's the content that keeps them there
and brings them back.

Good design is great. But people will struggle through even poor
design if the content is accurate, concise, and pertinent.

Good, usable navigation is more important than a pretty design. If
people can't find what they're looking for, or even what they don't
know how to look for but need, they'll leave and not come back.

And it's the content that must drive the navigation.

Being realistic, writing the "catchy, concise content" will probably
take longer than actually developing, testing, and deploying the site.

Spend your time getting your message right. Know your market, target
them correctly, provide the right mix of products and services at a
good percieved value.

THEN develop your site. Or hire a developer to do it for you.

But developers can't work in a vacuum. We need the content first.
And the better the content, the better the site will be.

Win
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Win Day, Multimedia Developer
Words Plus
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 > From: Win Day <winday.TakeThisOut@REMOVETHISwordsplus.net>
 > Organization: Words Plus
 > Reply-To: winday.TakeThisOut@REMOVETHISwordsplus.net
 > Newsgroups: biz.general,biz.ecommerce,biz.marketplace.web-design
 > Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:31:22 -0500
 > Subject: Re: web sites
 >=20
 > Content is king. You might catch their eye with a pretty design and
 > coordinated colour scheme, but it's the content that keeps them there
 > and brings them back.
But people have to be attracted long enough to get interested
in the content. Quite honestly, If I come across a commercial
site and it's appearance is awful and shows no thought or
money was put into it, I treat it the way I would a financial
advisor who works out of a trailer or a roofer who comes to
my door after a hurricane... Good-bye, and don't care what I've
missed since I wouldn't trust it anyway.

Three important things are at play here:
Design - to attract and visually influence, and to enhance content,
but never to get in the way of it.
Development - to make it function easily and intuitively, allowing
guests effortless, logical navigation and function. Make it easy
for them to accomplish the thing you want them to do.
Content - getting your message across in and insightful manner
that is easy to understand and (if commercial) prompts your
guest with gentle nudges to take the actions you desire.
A "m=E9nage =E0 trois" that works! Each adding value to the other.
It doesn't have to all be done by the same person, but each
part must be carried out with the same well-defined goals in
mind, a consensus of purpose.

OK, now you have your perfect site. Ah-oh, we need a
fourth! Advertising! YIKES!

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Hi,
I'm new to site building and trying to sell online. Needless to say
my site isn't that great and I am limited in what I know how to do
making a site. Knowing that, could someone give me tips on what is
bad and what really needs to be fixed on it? I would really
appreciate it.
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.angelfire.com/wi3/heritagerugs/" target="_blank">http://www.angelfire.com/wi3/heritagerugs/</a>
(I hope this is allowed)

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  > > From: Win Day <winday.TakeThisOut@REMOVETHISwordsplus.net>
  > > Organization: Words Plus
  > > Reply-To: winday.TakeThisOut@REMOVETHISwordsplus.net
  > > Newsgroups: biz.general,biz.ecommerce,biz.marketplace.web-design
  > > Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:31:22 -0500
  > > Subject: Re: web sites
  > >=20
  > > Content is king. You might catch their eye with a pretty design and
  > > coordinated colour scheme, but it's the content that keeps them there
  > > and brings them back.
 > But people have to be attracted long enough to get interested
 > in the content. Quite honestly, If I come across a commercial
 > site and it's appearance is awful and shows no thought or
 > money was put into it, I treat it the way I would a financial
 > advisor who works out of a trailer or a roofer who comes to
 > my door after a hurricane... Good-bye, and don't care what I've
 > missed since I wouldn't trust it anyway.
 >
 > Three important things are at play here:
 > Design - to attract and visually influence, and to enhance content,
 > but never to get in the way of it.
 > Development - to make it function easily and intuitively, allowing
 > guests effortless, logical navigation and function. Make it easy
 > for them to accomplish the thing you want them to do.
 > Content - getting your message across in and insightful manner
 > that is easy to understand and (if commercial) prompts your
 > guest with gentle nudges to take the actions you desire.
 > A "m=E9nage =E0 trois" that works! Each adding value to the other.
 > It doesn't have to all be done by the same person, but each
 > part must be carried out with the same well-defined goals in
 > mind, a consensus of purpose.
 >
 > OK, now you have your perfect site. Ah-oh, we need a
 > fourth! Advertising! YIKES!
 >
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I agree to a point with both sides. 6 years ago i knew nothing about
the internet much less computers. having no formal training my debate
is limited however in the past 6 years i have learned from doing . In
my experience i would have to say ....due to the vastness of the
internet and the multitude of interests it is all a gamble at best. I
started in the adult side when nothing mattered except getting as many
hits as you could to your content. the old numbers game. you could
have the worst looking design as long as many as possible got what
they wanted. content was king! but that has all changed now with so
much out there,people want new eye candy. than came a era where
"artsy" was in and many of us found ourself building to our ego rather
than the end result.I realized being creative and making money was not
always the same.as far as the commercial look I would agree as long as
you take into account the the type of business and the type of surfer
it is to attract. many times i get bored with all the flash if i am in
a hurry to find specific info, other times if I am just surfing i
enjoy something new.I built a site for a guy who paints harley
motorcycles and opted for a more creative look,individual,arsty and
cool with tons of pictures nothing much else,this applies well with
self promo sites,home pages so on....... yet the real estate agent i
decided to go more cut and dry, line to line I apply this to any site
that wants to sell a product,service or image.You are right, i had a
realtor come by once in a old van that looked like hell needless to
say I didn't use him... It just depends on to many variables to pin
point a exact "bestness".... so now i try to find the middle of it
all..just enough to not bore, give what you promise with in 2
clicks,and most important at least the index page make it as SE ready
as possible since we all know the one thing that will never change is
HIT!! good hits, sometimes even bad hits....like an actor with
publicity...good bad just so your seen.
sorry i drug this out.... this is just my opinion
Allen
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