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Since: Aug 07, 2003
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2003 5:55 pm
Post subject: Your thoughts on this?
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I've discovered that somebody has taken some material word for word from an
old personal website of mine, no longer up, without ever having sought my
permission to do so. However, he's added various bits of wording on his
site which make me wonder whether I have a case for plagiarism against him,
and I would like to ask what you guys think.
This is where my material is reproduced:
http://www.exkiap.net/articles/miscellaneous/kuru.htm
The words in the body of the article are mine exactly, though he has topped
and tailed it (apparently with FP), and added my old domain name as source
at the top. What I need to know though is whether his statements on his
copyright page either lessen or worsen his plagiarism (his copyright link is
right at the bottom of the Kuru page.) Should he nevertheless have asked
for permission to use my stuff? My own copyright statements did appear on my
old site.
I emailed him 10 days ago at the contact address for the site, and also more
recently at his personal email address, revealed via Whois enquiries, but so
far have received no reply, which doesn't exactly make me feel more
charitable towards him.
Any thoughts? Should I complain to his host in the absence of any response
from him?
TIA,
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2003 5:55 pm
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On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:55:30 +0100, "Alan D-W"
<alansworld.TakeThisOut@microsoft.com> wrote:
>I've discovered that somebody has taken some material word for word from an
>old personal website of mine, no longer up, without ever having sought my
>permission to do so. However, he's added various bits of wording on his
>site which make me wonder whether I have a case for plagiarism against him,
>and I would like to ask what you guys think.
If he's taken material word for word from your site, that's
plagiarism. Doesn't matter if he's added his own words, he's still
using yours without permission.
>Any thoughts? Should I complain to his host in the absence of any response
>from him?
Yes. First make a copy to your hard disk plus printout of his site.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2003 5:55 pm
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In article <3f55f2c4$0$243$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>, Alan D-W wrote:
> at the top. What I need to know though is whether his statements on his
> copyright page either lessen or worsen his plagiarism (his copyright link is
> right at the bottom of the Kuru page.) Should he nevertheless have asked
> for permission to use my stuff? My own copyright statements did appear on my
> old site.
What did *your* copyright statement say....and can you prove it.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2003 5:55 pm
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>> My own copyright statements did appear on my
>> old site.
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>What did *your* copyright statement say....and can you prove it.
You don't need a copyright statement for your work to be protected
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2003 5:55 pm
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"MGW" <mgw1979.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:55:30 +0100, "Alan D-W"
> <alansworld.TakeThisOut@microsoft.com> wrote:
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> >I've discovered that somebody has taken some material word for word from
an
> >old personal website of mine, no longer up, without ever having sought my
> >permission to do so. However, he's added various bits of wording on his
> >site which make me wonder whether I have a case for plagiarism against
him,
> >and I would like to ask what you guys think.
> Yes. First make a copy to your hard disk plus printout of his site.
> Then email his host.
PLEASE don't do that. We get "Someone on your servers stole my site!"
complaints....and generally reply with "Prove it.". I have yet to have
even one person be able to prove that their content was stolen. If you
can't prove it, don't bother the host.
--Tina
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2003 6:00 pm
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In article <pcublvgabfse6samgcovbb1sfvpbbhovug RemoveThis @4ax.com>, MGW wrote:
>>> My own copyright statements did appear on my
>>> old site.
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>>What did *your* copyright statement say....and can you prove it.
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> You don't need a copyright statement for your work to be protected
> (though it's helpful).
True, however, the OP's orginal site is no longer up, so prove it that he
orginated the article and that there was not an exclusion for non-profit use
etc., etc......
We know he wrote the article only because he claims he wrote the article.
All in all, I'm not sure it's worth the OP's time to pursue the issue.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2003 6:00 pm
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In article <slrnblc0h6.4bh.no_user.TakeThisOut@localhost.localdomain>,
no_user.TakeThisOut@no_particular_domain.com says...
> In article <pcublvgabfse6samgcovbb1sfvpbbhovug.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>, MGW wrote:
> >>> My own copyright statements did appear on my
> >>> old site.
> >>
> >>What did *your* copyright statement say....and can you prove it.
> >
> > You don't need a copyright statement for your work to be protected
> > (though it's helpful).
>
> True, however, the OP's orginal site is no longer up, so prove it that he
> orginated the article and that there was not an exclusion for non-profit use
> etc., etc......
>
> We know he wrote the article only because he claims he wrote the article.
>
> All in all, I'm not sure it's worth the OP's time to pursue the issue.
I have a similar problem and have found no legal solution. Don't bother
unless they're made of money ... it's not worth it.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2003 6:40 pm
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"Tina - AffordableHOST.com" <tina.TakeThisOut@affordablehost.com> wrote in message
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> "MGW" <mgw1979.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:vqsblvc6ihkvc218qb0i0k4ruufmj6p0oe@4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:55:30 +0100, "Alan D-W"
> > <alansworld.TakeThisOut@microsoft.com> wrote:
> >
> > >I've discovered that somebody has taken some material word for word
from
> an
> > >old personal website of mine, no longer up, without ever having sought
my
> > >permission to do so. However, he's added various bits of wording on
his
> > >site which make me wonder whether I have a case for plagiarism against
> him,
> > >and I would like to ask what you guys think.
>
> > Yes. First make a copy to your hard disk plus printout of his site.
> > Then email his host.
>
>
> PLEASE don't do that. We get "Someone on your servers stole my site!"
> complaints....and generally reply with "Prove it.". I have yet to have
> even one person be able to prove that their content was stolen. If you
> can't prove it, don't bother the host.
Did you fail to read the post?
"The words in the body of the article are mine exactly, though he has topped
and tailed it (apparently with FP), and added my old domain name as source
at the top."
The site admits the work was stolen. It doesn't sound like fair use.
--
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2003 7:25 pm
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Alan D-W wrote:
> This is where my material is reproduced:
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.exkiap.net/articles/miscellaneous/kuru.htm</font" target="_blank">http://www.exkiap.net/articles/miscellaneous/kuru.htm</font</a>>
>
> Any thoughts? Should I complain to his host in the absence of any response
> from him?
Of course it's rude to just copy somebody else's article. And it's even
more rude not to reply to your e-mail. On the other hand, perhaps he's
simply on a couple weeks of vacation, and he hasn't even read your
e-mail yet?
And what are your goals in this case? Do you want more appropriate
author attribution (with your name on it, a link to your current site?),
do you want to be paid for the use of your content, do you want him to
remove the article?
If you want compensation, simply send him a bill over whatever $$ you
consider appropriate, together with a polite yet perfectly clear letter.
If he doesn't pay (or remove the content) within 30 days, you can still
consider legal action, although that's most probably more hassle than
it's worth.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2003 7:47 pm
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"Alan D-W" <alansworld DeleteThis @microsoft.com> wrote in
news:3f55f2c4$0$243$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com:
> I've discovered that somebody has taken some material word for word
> from an old personal website of mine, no longer up, without ever
> having sought my permission to do so. However, he's added various
> bits of wording on his site which make me wonder whether I have a case
> for plagiarism against him, and I would like to ask what you guys
> think.
>
> This is where my material is reproduced:
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.exkiap.net/articles/miscellaneous/kuru.htm</font" target="_blank">http://www.exkiap.net/articles/miscellaneous/kuru.htm</font</a>>
>
> The words in the body of the article are mine exactly, though he has
> topped and tailed it (apparently with FP), and added my old domain
> name as source at the top. What I need to know though is whether his
> statements on his copyright page either lessen or worsen his
> plagiarism (his copyright link is right at the bottom of the Kuru
> page.) Should he nevertheless have asked for permission to use my
> stuff? My own copyright statements did appear on my old site.
>
> I emailed him 10 days ago at the contact address for the site, and
> also more recently at his personal email address, revealed via Whois
> enquiries, but so far have received no reply, which doesn't exactly
> make me feel more charitable towards him.
>
> Any thoughts? Should I complain to his host in the absence of any
> response from him?
>
> TIA,
>
> Alan
>
>
His host won't do anything about it unless you can prove it. Do you
still own the domain from the old website? Or is it easily attributable
to yourself? If so, check and see if the internet archive has your site
archived (www.archive.org/web/web.php). Then you can start to build your
case by capturing his website to your hard drive and emailing him
stating you know he stole the information and the url to your old site
on archive.org. If still no response, you could then contact his host.
Good luck and keep us updated.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2003 7:47 pm
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"Pixel McGee" <pixel RemoveThis @pixelmcgee.dot.com> wrote in message
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> > The words in the body of the article are mine exactly, though he has
> > topped and tailed it (apparently with FP), and added my old domain
> > name as source at the top.
>
> His host won't do anything about it unless you can prove it.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2003 8:00 pm
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"MGW" <mgw1979 RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Yes. First make a copy to your hard disk plus printout of his site.
> Then email his host.
What will his host do?
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2003 9:52 pm
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"Pixel McGee" <pixel.RemoveThis@pixelmcgee.dot.com> wrote in message
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> His host won't do anything about it unless you can prove it. Do you
> still own the domain from the old website? Or is it easily attributable
> to yourself? If so, check and see if the internet archive has your site
> archived (www.archive.org/web/web.php). Then you can start to build your
> case by capturing his website to your hard drive and emailing him
> stating you know he stole the information and the url to your old site
> on archive.org. If still no response, you could then contact his host.
> Good luck and keep us updated.
Alternatively you can play a game of marbles.
Net effect = same.
What's the host going to do?
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2003 11:48 pm
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"McWebber" <mcwebber DeleteThis @my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> Did you fail to read the post?
> "The words in the body of the article are mine exactly, though he has
topped
> and tailed it (apparently with FP), and added my old domain name as source
> at the top."
> The site admits the work was stolen. It doesn't sound like fair use.
Did you fail to read Tina's?
Crediting a source does not constitute admission of theft.
Tina is perfectly correct. It is not the job of a host to decide on
copyright theft, that's what we have courts for.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2003 11:48 pm
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On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 20:48:19 +0100,
Charles Sweeney <me RemoveThis @charlessweeney.com> wrote:
> "McWebber" <mcwebber RemoveThis @my-deja.com> wrote in message
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>> Did you fail to read the post?
>> "The words in the body of the article are mine exactly, though he has
> topped
>> and tailed it (apparently with FP), and added my old domain name as source
>> at the top."
>> The site admits the work was stolen. It doesn't sound like fair use.
>
> Did you fail to read Tina's?
>
> Crediting a source does not constitute admission of theft.
>
> Tina is perfectly correct. It is not the job of a host to decide on
> copyright theft, that's what we have courts for.
If a host wants to use the "safe harbor" provisions of the DMCA it very
much is in their interest to disable access to material upon reception
of a valid take-down notice. Otherwise they can be liable for the
copyright infringement of their customer.
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