I thought CSS was to eliminate tables?

With total disregard for any kind of safety measures MeNotHome
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 > I am trying to teach myself CSS. And struggling for sure.
 >
 > I looked at <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.dmxzone.com" target="_blank">www.dmxzone.com</a> reviewed the CSS and html code.
 > There are tables all over the place.
 >
 > I really thought CSS was to eliminate tables and improve cross
 > browser compatibility. I am spending hours and hours trying to
 > learn CSS. There is so much to learn.
 >
 > Incompatibilities between browsers is terrible. You have to
 > test them all.
 >
 > Thanks for any advice on the tables/CSS thing.
 >
 >

CSS isn't intended to "eliminate tables". Tables should and will
always be used for tabular data. CSS is intended to eliminate
tables which are misused as a -presentation- tool.

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In article <p0kdhvginsotjabucl0fvggsh39h2oi6gj DeleteThis @4ax.com>, MeNotHome wrote:
 > I am trying to teach myself CSS. And struggling for sure.
 >
 > I looked at <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.dmxzone.com" target="_blank">www.dmxzone.com</a> reviewed the CSS and html code.
 > There are tables all over the place.
 >
 > I really thought CSS was to eliminate tables and improve cross browser
 > compatibility. I am spending hours and hours trying to learn CSS.
 > There is so much to learn.
 >
 > Incompatibilities between browsers is terrible. You have to test them
 > all.
 >
 > Thanks for any advice on the tables/CSS thing.


It's a bad site in general...some pages in my browser are too big, width
wise, some the correct size...

As for CSS, a good idea, just ahead of its time.


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Eric Jarvis <web.RemoveThis@ericjarvis.co.uk> wrote in
news:MPG.1980e2ce9ec1eef98b2cc@News.CIS.DFN.DE:

 > MeNotHome wrote:
  >> I am trying to teach myself CSS. And struggling for sure.
  >>
  >> I looked at <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.dmxzone.com" target="_blank">www.dmxzone.com</a> reviewed the CSS and html code.
  >> There are tables all over the place.
  >>
  >> I really thought CSS was to eliminate tables and improve cross browser
  >> compatibility. I am spending hours and hours trying to learn CSS.
  >> There is so much to learn.
  >>
  >> Incompatibilities between browsers is terrible. You have to test them
  >> all.
  >>
 >
 > no you don't...you need to put together a good list of
 > the main incompatibilities and learn where to leave some
 > "space" in the design so that browser differences don't
 > break it
 >
 > best also learn the @import hack so that you can feed
 > Netscape 4 a different stylesheet from other
 > browsers...which makes it all a LOT easier
 >

Is there a similar hack for people who use the AOL browser?

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How can I test for earlier version of netscape?
I have netscape 7.1 installed on this system.

Can I install a 4.x version also and if yet, where can I download it.

thx

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 17:44:48 +0100, Eric Jarvis <web RemoveThis @ericjarvis.co.uk>
wrote:

 >MeNotHome wrote:
  >> I am trying to teach myself CSS. And struggling for sure.
  >>
  >> I looked at <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.dmxzone.com" target="_blank">www.dmxzone.com</a> reviewed the CSS and html code.
  >> There are tables all over the place.
  >>
  >> I really thought CSS was to eliminate tables and improve cross browser
  >> compatibility. I am spending hours and hours trying to learn CSS.
  >> There is so much to learn.
  >>
  >> Incompatibilities between browsers is terrible. You have to test them
  >> all.
  >>
 >
 >no you don't...you need to put together a good list of
 >the main incompatibilities and learn where to leave some
 >"space" in the design so that browser differences don't
 >break it
 >
 >best also learn the @import hack so that you can feed
 >Netscape 4 a different stylesheet from other
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MeNotHome wrote:
 > How can I test for earlier version of netscape?
 > I have netscape 7.1 installed on this system.
 >
 > Can I install a 4.x version also and if yet,

so I understand - just pay attention to the install directories.

 > where can I download it.
 >
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MeNotHome <dtfa@****nospm****insightbb.com> wrote in
news:lerdhv40jos53eti9e4lcdue7fnsphoi94@4ax.com:

 > How can I test for earlier version of netscape?
 > I have netscape 7.1 installed on this system.
 >
 > Can I install a 4.x version also and if yet, where can I download it.
 >
 > thx
 >
 > On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 17:44:48 +0100, Eric Jarvis <web.TakeThisOut@ericjarvis.co.uk>
 > wrote:
 >
  >>MeNotHome wrote:
   >>> I am trying to teach myself CSS. And struggling for sure.
   >>>
   >>> I looked at <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.dmxzone.com" target="_blank">www.dmxzone.com</a> reviewed the CSS and html code.
   >>> There are tables all over the place.
   >>>
   >>> I really thought CSS was to eliminate tables and improve cross
   >>> browser compatibility. I am spending hours and hours trying to
   >>> learn CSS. There is so much to learn.
   >>>
   >>> Incompatibilities between browsers is terrible. You have to test
   >>> them all.
   >>>
  >>
  >>no you don't...you need to put together a good list of
  >>the main incompatibilities and learn where to leave some
  >>"space" in the design so that browser differences don't
  >>break it
  >>
  >>best also learn the @import hack so that you can feed
  >>Netscape 4 a different stylesheet from other
  >>browsers...which makes it all a LOT easier
 >

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Aryk wrote:

 > Eric Jarvis <web DeleteThis @ericjarvis.co.uk> wrote in
 > news:MPG.1980e2ce9ec1eef98b2cc@News.CIS.DFN.DE:
 >
 >
  >>MeNotHome wrote:
  >>
   >>>I am trying to teach myself CSS. And struggling for sure.
   >>>
   >>>I looked at <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.dmxzone.com" target="_blank">www.dmxzone.com</a> reviewed the CSS and html code.
   >>>There are tables all over the place.
   >>>
   >>>I really thought CSS was to eliminate tables and improve cross browser
   >>>compatibility. I am spending hours and hours trying to learn CSS.
   >>>There is so much to learn.
   >>>
   >>>Incompatibilities between browsers is terrible. You have to test them
   >>>all.
   >>>
  >>
  >>no you don't...you need to put together a good list of
  >>the main incompatibilities and learn where to leave some
  >>"space" in the design so that browser differences don't
  >>break it
  >>
  >>best also learn the @import hack so that you can feed
  >>Netscape 4 a different stylesheet from other
  >>browsers...which makes it all a LOT easier
  >>
 >
 >
 > Is there a similar hack for people who use the AOL browser?

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David Venn-Brown <davidvb.DeleteThis@ozemail.com.au> wrote in news:fXERa.324
$fF.12300@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au:

 > Aryk wrote:
 >
  >> Eric Jarvis <web.DeleteThis@ericjarvis.co.uk> wrote in
  >> news:MPG.1980e2ce9ec1eef98b2cc@News.CIS.DFN.DE:
  >>
  >>
   >>>MeNotHome wrote:
   >>>
   >>>>I am trying to teach myself CSS. And struggling for sure.
   >>>>
   >>>>I looked at <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.dmxzone.com" target="_blank">www.dmxzone.com</a> reviewed the CSS and html code.
   >>>>There are tables all over the place.
   >>>>
   >>>>I really thought CSS was to eliminate tables and improve cross
browser
   >>>>compatibility. I am spending hours and hours trying to learn CSS.
   >>>>There is so much to learn.
   >>>>
   >>>>Incompatibilities between browsers is terrible. You have to test
them
   >>>>all.
   >>>>
   >>>
   >>>no you don't...you need to put together a good list of
   >>>the main incompatibilities and learn where to leave some
   >>>"space" in the design so that browser differences don't
   >>>break it
   >>>
   >>>best also learn the @import hack so that you can feed
   >>>Netscape 4 a different stylesheet from other
   >>>browsers...which makes it all a LOT easier
   >>>
  >>
  >>
  >> Is there a similar hack for people who use the AOL browser?
 >
 > A loaded pistol.
 >
 >

heh. Knew that one was coming as soon as I sent.

-A

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On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 17:45:27 -0500 Phil Roberts
<philrob RemoveThis @HOLYflatnetSHIT.net> broke off from drinking a cup of tea at
Flatnet web sevices to write:

 >CSS isn't intended to "eliminate tables". Tables should and will
 >always be used for tabular data. CSS is intended to eliminate
 >tables which are misused as a -presentation- tool.
 >

I thought CSS was intended to provide HTML authors with the ability to
better suggest layout and appearance in a cross-platform manner which
could be accepted or declined by the client reader without affecting
the content.

I'm probably wrong, I usually am.

Matt

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uttered:

 > I thought CSS was intended to provide HTML authors with the
 > ability to better suggest layout and appearance in a
 > cross-platform manner which could be accepted or declined by the
 > client reader without affecting the content.

That too.

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"MeNotHome" <dtfa@****nospm****insightbb.com> wrote in message
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 > I am trying to teach myself CSS. And struggling for sure.
 >
 > I looked at <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.dmxzone.com" target="_blank">www.dmxzone.com</a> reviewed the CSS and html code.
 > There are tables all over the place.
 >
 > I really thought CSS was to eliminate tables and improve cross browser
 > compatibility. I am spending hours and hours trying to learn CSS.
 > There is so much to learn.
CSS is more an attempt at seperating layout from content than anything else.
Problem is it is dependant on the user agent being css compliant or it
degrades.

Proponants of css in place of tables for presentation will argue that is an
advantage. They will also say that tables do not degrade gracefully so when
they are broken the site becomes inaccessable.

But that is true with any coding problem
 >
 > Incompatibilities between browsers is terrible. You have to test them
 > all.
 >
Tables that are built correctly according to the specifications, and using
the guidlines from w3c for using tables for layout, are more likely to
present a site as the designer would wish across more platforms than css.

When a table is built correctly it will also deliver its content correctly
to the likes of speech readers.

If you just wish to deliver flat text based content page after page (as in a
book) then by all means, go with css. If you want to deliver your content in
a graphical environment and you want it to layout as similar as possible in
as many browsers as possible - then go with correctly built tables.

What ever you do - at the end of the day it is your choice and any effect it
has on you, your sites visitors numbers etc is entirely for you to determine
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