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Since: Feb 13, 2004
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(Msg. 76) Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 8:55 pm
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Doug wrote:
> Here's a link of something I started working on.
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<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://home.earthlink.net/~douglass_davis/CLI/</font" target="_blank">http://home.earthlink.net/~douglass_davis/CLI/</font</a>>
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> The colors/pictures/menu at the top may change, but right now i'm just
> trying to get a good layout. So, it's not finished yet.
I realize you didn't ask for a critique, but apart from some coding
errors (<br> instead of <br /> and a couple of wrong nestings I think)
and blue links on blue background, I think it's not at all as bad as I
thought based on your reactions 
I'd change the font-size to 100% though (or a minimum of 85 if you
really have to, but not 71), and try to get rid of the tables in the
content area.
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(Msg. 77) Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 8:55 pm
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Doug wrote
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://home.earthlink.net/~douglass_davis/CLI/</font" target="_blank">http://home.earthlink.net/~douglass_davis/CLI/</font</a>>
Other than the jaggy picture, and the slightly large box it's in, looks
good.
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(Msg. 78) Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 8:55 pm
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Doug wrote:
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> I ask questions about business, and the first thing i get is
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> "You are not ready"
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> and
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> "a grasp of trivial site building techniques is apparently beyond the
> capabilities of most hacks"
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> That has no use to me at all in answering my question. I don't like to
> have to prove myself, if you'll notice, in my first post i wasn't trying
> to brag... But, apparently I have to in order to get a question answered!
>
> I'm just saying, even if I am not ready, hell, say something to put me
> on the right track! The other stuff is unnecessary.
<play nice mode />
Contracts -
Contracts vary, but the philosophy is the same. How you set it up is
entirely up to you. Consulting with an attorney is best.
The basics are:
Define the scope of the project
How / how much will you charge
How do you expect to be paid (eg 33% up front ... blah blah)
When will you deliver finished work
There is, of course, much more to it. IIRC wilsonweb.com had some good
sample contracts, but that was years ago. Again - consult with an
attorney - they are best able to advise you. It's worth spending some
money as opposed to getting pooched.
What to charge -
There is only one answer, and only you can provide it. What is your
time worth to you, and how does that balance against your skill set?
Whittle from there - YMMV.
Oh - and welcome to AWW.
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(Msg. 79) Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 9:55 pm
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Els wrote:
> Doug wrote:
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>>Here's a link of something I started working on.
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>>http://home.earthlink.net/~douglass_davis/CLI/
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>>The colors/pictures/menu at the top may change, but right now i'm just
>>trying to get a good layout. So, it's not finished yet.
>
>
> I realize you didn't ask for a critique, but apart from some coding
> errors (<br> instead of <br /> and a couple of wrong nestings I think)
> and blue links on blue background, I think it's not at all as bad as I
> thought based on your reactions
>
> I'd change the font-size to 100% though (or a minimum of 85 if you
> really have to, but not 71), and try to get rid of the tables in the
> content area.
>
Good points, blue-on-blue doesn't work, and definitely run it through
the w3C validator. You've got some extra / missing tags, etc.
Nice 'fluid' behavior when re-sizing.
Another observation - try linking the styles from an external style
sheet rather than calling them out in the <head> on each page. That
will cut down on your overall HTML file sizes and allow you to make
global changes by editing just one file.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: starting a web business |
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Since: May 16, 2005
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(Msg. 80) Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 9:55 pm
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Charles Sweeney wrote:
> Doug wrote
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>>http://home.earthlink.net/~douglass_davis/CLI/
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> Other than the jaggy picture, and the slightly large box it's in, looks
> good.
>
yea, eventually the picture will be about 4 or 5 pictures that will
rotate. Not the one that's there now.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: starting a web business |
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Since: Oct 23, 2004
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(Msg. 81) Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 10:55 pm
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Doug <dougd99.DeleteThis@XXXXremovetheXearthlink.net> wrote in news:sypie.2985$M36.725
@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net:
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> Dylan Parry wrote:
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>> Using a pointed stick and some pebbles, Doug scraped this into the dirt:
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>>> however, your mom charges extra for that.
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>>
>> Free advice: You won't gain any kudos for pissing on the locals.
>> Non-free advice: Anything to do with how to run your business.
>
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> Unlike some of these guys, I have better things to do than try to boost
> my ego by posting on newsgroups to prove how much I know and some one
> else doesn't. I don't need your kudos. And now, I don't want your
> advice either.
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um...what just happened to this perfectly genial thread? did i miss
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(Msg. 82) Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 10:55 pm
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Doug <dougd99.DeleteThis@XXXXremovetheXearthlink.net> wrote in
news:5avie.3748$uR4.1933@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:
Doug,
how much of your time have you wasted today on this thread?
ok, this is what you do. stop running your mouth, download as much history
from this NG as your SP gives you and spend a day looking for rellevant
posts that seem on topic for you. then identify those who speak to your
concerns. then go visit their websites, read everything on them and follow
every link. i'd definately go for Grey's, i'd hit Bokama's, Tasso's and i
think i made mine just for people like you. and be nice to these guys, they
can show you the way if they want to.
that will keep you busy and let you know the scope of the game. from there
all you need to do is figure out how to charge for all those activities and
that only comes after the bite the big one a couple of times.
keep your head low for a while champ.
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(Msg. 83) Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 10:55 pm
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trevor wrote:
> Doug <dougd99.RemoveThis@XXXXremovetheXearthlink.net> wrote in
> news:5avie.3748$uR4.1933@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:
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> Doug,
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> how much of your time have you wasted today on this thread?
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not much... this is easy.
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Since: May 11, 2005
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(Msg. 84) Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 1:33 am
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"Doug" <dougd99.RemoveThis@XXXXremovetheXearthlink.net> wrote in message
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> You all keep bringing up the professor thing. I only told you all I was a
> professor because some one asked what i do. I don't like giving my info
> out over the net.
OK - I can understand the last. The professor thing came from how it almost
seemed like you were saying "I'm a professor, so I'm smarter than you" -
there was a note of arrogance.
OTOH, I've noticed that going away, and that you're jumping into
participation in the group. So, welcome to AWW!
> What the hell is a MMORPGs? You know, regardless of if I am a "newbie" on
> the group, you all need to realize in order to receive respect, you must
> give it, otherwise, I will keep calling you out like the bitch you are.
Careful, now - and heed your own words "order to receive respect, you must
give it"
You ARE the noob here - which means that the burden of showing respect lies
on you. We already know each other (and frankly, I'm pretty damn new
myself). Treat us with respect and I expect you'll get the same back. You
certainly will with me.
MMORPG - Massively Multi-player Online Role Playing Game (or something like
that), like Ultima Online or the like.
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(Msg. 85) Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 1:35 am
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"Doug" <dougd99 RemoveThis @XXXXremovetheXearthlink.net> wrote in message
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> William Tasso wrote:
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>>> send me your address ...
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>> well fcuk me sideways - I've scored
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>
> huh?
Looks like it's not just this group that you're new to
Usenet is full of odd people with odd senses of humor. Get twisted or get
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(Msg. 86) Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 1:43 am
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"Doug" <dougd99.RemoveThis@XXXXremovetheXearthlink.net> wrote in message
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>> Physician - heal thyself! Do you always go into new places and defecate
>> on the floor?
>
> Look, I'm really sorry. I didn't mean to insult every one...
And, IMO, you're actually redeeming yourself rather well.
> It's just difficult for me when people want to automatically make the
> assumption that I don't know what I'm talking about.
Yeah, I know the feeling. I get it all the time because I'm a "computer
programmer" and I don't have a degree.
> The computer thing is what I do, and I have always been very good at it.
Yep.
> I don't feel like I should have to deal with a bunch of crap just
> to ask a question.
Problem is, you took a request for a URL as "a bunch of crap", it seems -
and realistically, it wasn't. No matter what you TELL the group, how does
anyone know that you really DO know how to do web design, without seeing
your work? If you're serious about the business, then a realistic assessment
of your skills would be useful.
> Since this is the summer, and I don't have as many classes to teach, i
> thought i would try to make some income some place else. That's all. I
> do know how to design web pages. Maybe not as good as some, but when
> comparing to the people I know who do web pages for money, I'm pretty
> good.
Right - and we get to see the result of those people who do web pages for
money & don't know what they're doing all the time. I'm doing some
customization of a commercial PHP ad script that a company SELLS, and I'm
thouroughly amazed at how crappy the coding is.
Again, though - welcome to the group. You've had a bumpy start, but I see
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(Msg. 87) Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 1:46 am
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"Doug" <dougd99.RemoveThis@XXXXremovetheXearthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Fat Sam wrote:
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>> And we just wanted to see an example of your work....Thats all....What's
>> wrong with that?....
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> I ask questions about business, and the first thing i get is
>
> "You are not ready"
As someone who has spent the last 15 years self-employed, I can say with
certainty that if you have to ask very rudimentary questions about a
particular business, then you are not ready.
BTW, I wasn't joking about checking with the Business department of your
college. Many colleges have an "Entrepreneur's Club" or something similar -
I've gotten a LOT of good advice there. Also, you may want to check out some
basic BUSINESS references while you're doing your research. Allow me to
suggest "Small Time Operator" as a good starting point.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: starting a web business |
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(Msg. 88) Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 2:55 am
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Once upon a time, far far away trevor <not RemoveThis @your.house> spluttered
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>um...what just happened to this perfectly genial thread? did i miss
>something?
Only the usual. Some child, wannabe twit comes in, claims to be
something he's not, swaggers about, insults everyone for not providing
him with the information he has demanded, and then wonders why he gets
flamed!
Now, if he had asked politely, and not claimed to be "the greatest",
well you know...
Matt
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(Msg. 89) Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 3:55 am
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Once upon a time, far far away "William Tasso"
<SpamBlocked.RemoveThis@tbdata.com> spluttered
>bumpy landings on Usenet are not a new phenomenon (you'll get over it) but
>lying won't win many friends
"Of course I'll respect you in the morning" <bg>
Matt
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(Msg. 90) Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 3:55 am
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Once upon a time, far far away "William Tasso"
<SpamBlocked.DeleteThis@tbdata.com> spluttered
>Forging a path through the Usenet jungle, armed only with a rusty
>Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804
>Netscape/7.2 (ax), Doug stumbled into alt.www.webmaster and said:
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>> William Tasso wrote:
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>>> bumpy landings on Usenet are not a new phenomenon ...
>>
>> send me your address ...
>
>well fcuk me sideways - I've scored
>
And I thought he had said he was out of here. It's your lucky day,
Bill, the boy has decided to stay and play!
I'll just put the kettle on and fetch the hob-nobs....
Matt
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