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Doug

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(Msg. 16) Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 12:55 pm Post subject: Re: starting a web business [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: alt>www>webmaster (more info?)

Els wrote: > > URL? > i don't have shit to prove to y'all... if you don't wanna help, just put the thread on ignore and keep it moving. thank you.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: starting a web business

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 12:55 pm Post subject: Re: starting a web business [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Doug wrote: > Els wrote: > >> URL? > > i don't have shit to prove to y'all... if you don't wanna help, just put > the thread on ignore and keep it moving. thank you. Thought so! <g> -- Els <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://locusmeus.com/" target="_blank">http://locusmeus.com/</a> Sonhos vem. Sonhos vão. O resto é imperfeito. - Renato Russo -<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: starting a web business

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 12:55 pm Post subject: Re: starting a web business [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Forging a path through the Usenet jungle, armed only with a rusty Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax), Doug stumbled into alt.www.webmaster and said: > William Tasso wrote: > >> Then you are not ready. > > That's why people ask questions generally... You had to start some > where too. This is true (on both counts). So, have you identified a niche for yourself yet? -- Whatever you do - do something.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: starting a web business

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(Msg. 19) Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 12:55 pm Post subject: Re: starting a web business [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Doug" <dougd99.TakeThisOut@XXXXremovetheXearthlink.net> wrote in message news:67oie.6250$w21.3091@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net... > > > > Els wrote: > > > > > > URL? > > > > i don't have shit to prove to y'all... if you don't wanna help, just put > the thread on ignore and keep it moving. thank you. Based on your ambiguous questions.... I would like to start a web design business, and wanted to know if you all had any advice? Also, where can I get information about: 1. contracts - what should I guarantee them in return for their fee? 2. pricing - how much? what's the price structure? Is there maintenance involved? For a fee or per update, or just a monthly fee? What about deposits, how much should i charge up front? anything else you can think of would be appreciated. I'm probably forgetting a lot. and your resulting responses.... i am a professor of computer science, but I have done plenty of web pages. Matter of fact, I redesigned our divisions web pages, and have a site of my own up and running using PHP/XOOPS. Web page design is no big deal, it's the business part I am concerned with. With the regs here trying to drudge out info on your abilities, as that's the guiding light to the advice you requested.... and your response... i don't have shit to prove to y'all... if you don't wanna help, just put the thread on ignore and keep it moving. thank you. Then my advice is.... 1. contracts - what should I guarantee them in return for their fee? You should guarantee them the work to be completed, of course. 2. pricing - how much? what's the price structure? Is there maintenance involved? For a fee or per update, or just a monthly fee? What about deposits, how much should i charge up front? Depends on your abilities and worth of the project. Whereas it would seem your the only thing you're willing to divulge is your Divisions Web Pages ( a secret ) and Xoops which anyone with a mouse can auto install and admin.... I would say you should consider giving it away for free. 'Course, that's just my two cents.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: starting a web business

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(Msg. 20) Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 12:55 pm Post subject: Re: starting a web business [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

And lo, Els didst speak in alt.www.webmaster: > Doug wrote: > >> Els wrote: >> >>> URL? >> >> i don't have shit to prove to y'all... if you don't wanna help, just put >> the thread on ignore and keep it moving. thank you. > > Thought so! <g> OMG! ^5 Grey<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: starting a web business

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(Msg. 21) Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 12:55 pm Post subject: Re: starting a web business [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Forging a path through the Usenet jungle, armed only with a rusty Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000, Allis stumbled into alt.www.webmaster and said: > ... > I would say you should consider giving it away for free. I would say the same to you if I didn't already know that would get me a smack. BTW: WB -- Whatever you do - do something.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: starting a web business

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(Msg. 22) Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 12:55 pm Post subject: Re: starting a web business [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"William Tasso" <SpamBlocked.RemoveThis@tbdata.com> wrote in message news:op.sqxgc3xlm9g4qz-wnt@tbdata.com... > Forging a path through the Usenet jungle, armed only with a rusty > Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000, Allis stumbled into > alt.www.webmaster and said: > > > ... > > I would say you should consider giving it away for free. > > I would say the same to you if I didn't already know that would get me a > smack. > > BTW: WB > > -- > Whatever you do - do something. Danka Wouldn't ya know it...the first thread I peruse... <!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: starting a web business

Doug

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Since: May 16, 2005
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 1:55 pm Post subject: Re: starting a web business [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

thanks for the "advice." something is better than nothing, anyway... Allis wrote: > "Doug" <dougd99 RemoveThis @XXXXremovetheXearthlink.net> wrote in message > news:67oie.6250$w21.3091@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net... > >> >> >>Els wrote: >> >> >> >>>URL? >>> >> >>i don't have shit to prove to y'all... if you don't wanna help, just put >>the thread on ignore and keep it moving. thank you. > > > Based on your ambiguous questions.... > > I would like to start a web design business, and wanted to know if you > all had any advice? Also, where can I get information about: > > 1. contracts - what should I guarantee them in return for their fee? > 2. pricing - how much? what's the price structure? Is there > maintenance involved? For a fee or per update, or just a monthly fee? > What about deposits, how much should i charge up front? > > anything else you can think of would be appreciated. I'm probably > forgetting a lot. > > and your resulting responses.... > > i am a professor of computer science, but I have done plenty of web > pages. Matter of fact, I redesigned our divisions web pages, and have a > site of my own up and running using PHP/XOOPS. Web page design is no > big deal, it's the business part I am concerned with. > > With the regs here trying to drudge out info on your abilities, as that's > the guiding light to the advice you requested.... > > and your response... > > i don't have shit to prove to y'all... if you don't wanna help, just put > the thread on ignore and keep it moving. thank you. > > Then my advice is.... > > 1. contracts - what should I guarantee them in return for their fee? > > You should guarantee them the work to be completed, of course. > > 2. pricing - how much? what's the price structure? Is there > maintenance involved? For a fee or per update, or just a monthly fee? > What about deposits, how much should i charge up front? > > Depends on your abilities and worth of the project. > Whereas it would seem your the only thing you're willing to divulge is your > Divisions Web Pages ( a secret ) and Xoops which anyone with a mouse can > auto install and admin.... > > I would say you should consider giving it away for free. > > 'Course, that's just my two cents. > > ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: starting a web business

Doug

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(Msg. 24) Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 1:55 pm Post subject: Re: starting a web business [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

William Tasso wrote: > This is true (on both counts). So, have you identified a niche for > yourself yet? > no I have not. I'm currently working with a nonprofit on their website, to get more experience working with clients. I'm also knowledgeable about Education related matters. So, I guess that would be two things I could think about. writing - 1st find a niche<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: starting a web business

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(Msg. 25) Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 1:55 pm Post subject: Re: starting a web business [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Once upon a time, far far away Doug <dougd99 RemoveThis @XXXXremovetheXearthlink.net> spluttered >I was hoping for some guidance from this group, but apparently that's >asking for too much. ROTFL! Ha ha ha, you'll be expecting civility next! Really, though. This is not the place to ask how to run a business! Matt -- The Probert Encyclopaedia - Beyond Britannica <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com" target="_blank">http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com</a><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: starting a web business

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(Msg. 26) Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 1:55 pm Post subject: Re: starting a web business [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Doug" <dougd99.TakeThisOut@XXXXremovetheXearthlink.net> wrote in message news:lWoie.3502$uR4.1433@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net... > > thanks for the "advice." something is better than nothing, anyway... > Advice #2 - Don't top post <!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: starting a web business

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(Msg. 27) Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 1:55 pm Post subject: Re: starting a web business [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Once upon a time, far far away "Allis" <allis@allis> spluttered > >'Course, that's just my two cents. > Allis, I'd phrase all of what you just said rather more succinctly, but still offer advice to "Doug", only I'd say "fuck off you wanker" Matt -- The Probert Encyclopaedia - Beyond Britannica <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com" target="_blank">http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com</a><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: starting a web business

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(Msg. 28) Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 1:55 pm Post subject: Re: starting a web business [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Once upon a time, far far away "William Tasso" <SpamBlocked.TakeThisOut@tbdata.com> spluttered >Forging a path through the Usenet jungle, armed only with a rusty >Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 >Netscape/7.2 (ax), Doug stumbled into alt.www.webmaster and said: > >> William Tasso wrote: >> >>> Then you are not ready. >> >> That's why people ask questions generally... You had to start some >> where too. > >This is true (on both counts). So, have you identified a niche for >yourself yet? > No, but I think we have all identified his niche! Matt -- The Probert Encyclopaedia - Beyond Britannica <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com" target="_blank">http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com</a><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: starting a web business

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(Msg. 29) Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 1:55 pm Post subject: Re: starting a web business [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Forging a path through the Usenet jungle, armed only with a rusty Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax), Doug stumbled into alt.www.webmaster and said: > William Tasso wrote: >> ... >> have you identified a niche for yourself yet? > > no I have not. I'm currently working with a nonprofit on their website, > to get more experience working with clients. I'm also knowledgeable > about Education related matters. So, I guess that would be two things I > could think about. > > writing - 1st find a niche Ahh - no, keep an open mind and your niche will find you. In the mean-time keep banging away. A niche is not necessarily a vertical market, it could be a skill-set or a design paradigm. What type of non-profit? tin-rattlers or professionally funded? it makes a big difference to how they value the work you do for them. I've worked with both types and won't ever again go near the tin-rattlers unless it's a useful way to assist a cause I have faith in. -- Whatever you do - do something.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: starting a web business

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(Msg. 30) Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 1:55 pm Post subject: Re: starting a web business [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

William Tasso wrote: > > What type of non-profit? tin-rattlers or professionally funded? it > makes a big difference to how they value the work you do for them. > I've worked with both types and won't ever again go near the > tin-rattlers unless it's a useful way to assist a cause I have faith in. That's a very good point. The one I'm working with now is mainly funded from donations. Thanks for the advice.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: starting a web business

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