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tawdryglamour

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 12:44 pm
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I have a real question for once. I'm doing a site that is a response
from a "little guy" (or gal) to information presented by a "big guy".
A small part of the site will refer to what "big guy" has implied
about "little guy" so I will be providing a link to what "big guy" has
said.

I know it's recommended that you leave it up to the visitor to click
on a link to go there instead of having the link open in a new window.
I'm thinking that some of my visitors might want to keep *my* info in
front of them as well as what "big guy" is saying but be too lame, er,
I mean, too inexperienced to do this themselves. (Sigh. I certainly
don't have much faith in the competency of my potential visitors, do
I!) Would this be one time time to break the unwritten rule or am I
just thinking *my* reason is different and justifies opening a new
window? Smile

What do you folks think? Should I just leave it up to them, or give
them an option ("open in new window"/"go there") or just make the "big
guy" info open in a new window with no option?

I don't have the site up yet so no URL. This is not a site to sell
anything (it's an informational dot org site having to do with a(n)
historical building) and I will not be saying anything libelous about
the "big guy", just pointing out a few inaccuracies that they have
been propogating, perhaps mistakenly (ha!).

Thanks for any suggestions and if what I'm asking is too confusing,
well, what can you expect of me! Smile

Audry

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 1:16 pm
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 09:44:55 -0800, "T. Audry Glamour"
<tawdryglamour.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:

 >I have a real question for once. I'm doing a site that is a response
 >from a "little guy" (or gal) to information presented by a "big guy".
 >A small part of the site will refer to what "big guy" has implied
 >about "little guy" so I will be providing a link to what "big guy" has
 >said.
 >
 >I know it's recommended that you leave it up to the visitor to click
 >on a link to go there instead of having the link open in a new window.
 >I'm thinking that some of my visitors might want to keep *my* info in
 >front of them as well as what "big guy" is saying but be too lame, er,
 >I mean, too inexperienced to do this themselves. (Sigh. I certainly
 >don't have much faith in the competency of my potential visitors, do
 >I!) Would this be one time time to break the unwritten rule or am I
 >just thinking *my* reason is different and justifies opening a new
 >window? Smile
 >
 >What do you folks think? Should I just leave it up to them, or give
 >them an option ("open in new window"/"go there") or just make the "big
 >guy" info open in a new window with no option?
 >
 >I don't have the site up yet so no URL. This is not a site to sell
 >anything (it's an informational dot org site having to do with a(n)
 >historical building) and I will not be saying anything libelous about
 >the "big guy", just pointing out a few inaccuracies that they have
 >been propogating, perhaps mistakenly (ha!).
 >
 >Thanks for any suggestions and if what I'm asking is too confusing,
 >well, what can you expect of me! Smile
 >
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tawdryglamour

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 1:45 pm
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Thanks for the replies. When I get it up I'll post the URL and solicit
some opinions.

Audry

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 9:08 pm
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T. Audry Glamour wrote in message ...
 > I'm thinking that some of my visitors might want to keep *my* info in
 > front of them.

I'm in agreement with you.

Just put a litlle text somewhere obvious in the page, which says "All these
links will open in a New Window". Then nobody will be "shocked" when it
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tawdryglamour

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 9:08 pm
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In article <JYzOb.3079$1s7.38446211@news-text.cableinet.net>,
"Steve R." <stevie_ritchie(NOSPAM)@hotmail.com> wrote:

 > Just put a litlle text somewhere obvious in the page, which says "All these
 > links will open in a New Window". Then nobody will be "shocked" when it
 > happens. LOL.

Thanks. I think I'll do this as well as do as Charles suggests and
simply quote what they say with my response right on my page. People
can then go check out the source for themselves. As if they will. It's
like hearding cats... Wink

Audry

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 9:15 pm
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T. Audry Glamour wrote:
 > ...
 > I know it's recommended that you leave it up to the visitor to click
 > on a link to go there instead of having the link open in a new window.

strike one ;o)

 > I'm thinking that some of my visitors might want to keep *my* info in
 > front of them as well as what "big guy" is saying

Have you considered providing a BIG hint that the visitor may find 'open
link in a new window/tab' or somesuch similar in their context sensitive
menu?

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 9:17 pm
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"T. Audry Glamour" <tawdryglamour RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:buegm3$gtb5l$1@ID-171090.news.uni-berlin.de...
 > I have a real question for once. I'm doing a site that is a response
 > from a "little guy" (or gal) to information presented by a "big guy".
 > A small part of the site will refer to what "big guy" has implied
 > about "little guy" so I will be providing a link to what "big guy" has
 > said.
 >
 > I know it's recommended that you leave it up to the visitor to click
 > on a link to go there instead of having the link open in a new window.
 > I'm thinking that some of my visitors might want to keep *my* info in
 > front of them as well as what "big guy" is saying but be too lame, er,
 > I mean, too inexperienced to do this themselves. (Sigh. I certainly
 > don't have much faith in the competency of my potential visitors, do
 > I!) Would this be one time time to break the unwritten rule or am I
 > just thinking *my* reason is different and justifies opening a new
 > window? Smile
 >
 > What do you folks think? Should I just leave it up to them, or give
 > them an option ("open in new window"/"go there") or just make the "big
 > guy" info open in a new window with no option?
 >
 > I don't have the site up yet so no URL. This is not a site to sell
 > anything (it's an informational dot org site having to do with a(n)
 > historical building) and I will not be saying anything libelous about
 > the "big guy", just pointing out a few inaccuracies that they have
 > been propogating, perhaps mistakenly (ha!).
 >
 > Thanks for any suggestions and if what I'm asking is too confusing,
 > well, what can you expect of me! Smile

Can't you just write it out in plain text without links?

We say this:

"blah"

Big guy says this:

"big blah"

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tawdryglamour

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 9:17 pm
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In article <bueij8$gv1v9$1@ID-162618.news.uni-berlin.de>,
"Charles Sweeney" <me RemoveThis @charlessweeney.com> wrote:

 > Can't you just write it out in plain text without links?
 >
 > We say this:
 >
 > "blah"
 >
 > Big guy says this:
 >
 > "big blah"

Hmmm. Thanks. It gives me and idea. I'll try this and then have a
place on the page where I clearly explain that they can view big guy's
original statement. Something like that.

I know from checking logs on another site that far fewer people go to
links supporting your info than view the "top" page. Of course, they
may only be looking for pictures.

Audry

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 10:44 pm
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Steve R. wrote:

 > Just put a litlle text somewhere obvious in the page, which says "All
 > these links will open in a New Window". Then nobody will be "shocked" when
 > it happens.

.... but still annoyed.

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 10:44 pm
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David Dorward wrote:
 > Steve R. wrote:
 >
  >> Just put a litlle text somewhere obvious in the page, which says "All
  >> these links will open in a New Window". Then nobody will be
  >> "shocked" when it happens.
 >
 > ... but still annoyed.

But who's really annoyed? I mean, for real? I'd find it more annoying if,
for instance, the links on Fark.com didn't open up in a new window.

Opening in a new window is a very good thing when done right, i.e., when it
is used in a manner that makes sense and is intuitive for the average user.
It's a very bad thing when abused. I think one sensical example of opening
links in a new window is when the link goes off-site. Just my opinion...
nobody's really wrong I guess!

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 11:20 pm
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David wrote:

  >> ... but still annoyed.
 >
 > But who's really annoyed? I mean, for real?

Well... me for a start.

 > Opening in a new window is a very good thing when done right, i.e., when
 > it is used in a manner that makes sense and is intuitive for the average
 > user.

When is it intuative? Theres no indication in most browsers as to if a link
is going to act normally, or to spawn a new window.

A user can _always_ choose to open a link in a new window if they want to.
In most browsers this is simply a matter of using a different mouse button,
or holding down a key while clicking.

If the user wants the window to open in the same window, and the target
attribute is in force - things becuase rather more difficult.


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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 11:22 pm
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Quoth the raven named David Dorward:

 > Steve R. wrote:
 >
  >> Just put a litlle text somewhere obvious in the page, which says
  >> "All these links will open in a New Window". Then nobody will be
  >> "shocked" when it happens.
 >
 > ... but still annoyed.

Heh, David, I was just going to post your site's URL as an alternative
method to show which links go offsite. <http://dorward.me.uk/>

I like it (the symbol next to the link) and will probably incorporate
it into any new site I write. I would add a prominent instruction
somewhere on the main page (for the newbs) as to what the symbol
actually means, though. "Links with this symbol are offsite and
perhaps you would care to right-click... etc"

For Audry, if only a couple of internal pages have links to elsewhere,
maybe a small sidebar on just those pages explaining what the symbol
means would suffice.

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 11:23 pm
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In article <DWBOb.45237$Su5.41795@twister.nyroc.rr.com>,
"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous DeleteThis @example.invalid> wrote:

 > Heh, David, I was just going to post your site's URL as an alternative
 > method to show which links go offsite. <http://dorward.me.uk/>

<snip>

 > For Audry, if only a couple of internal pages have links to elsewhere,
 > maybe a small sidebar on just those pages explaining what the symbol
 > means would suffice.

I like the way David has handled those offsite links. If I get busy
making my own little icon to represent links to the "big guy" site I
won't have to feel guilty for not working on the content...!
(Seriously, I do like the idea.)

Thanks everyone so much for your input. I really respect your views. I
may at times interject silly comments to the group but I am learning
all the time. Now back to the pointy stick...

Audry

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(Msg. 14) Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 12:27 am
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While sitting in a puddle T. Audry Glamour scribbled in the mud:

 > (Sigh. I certainly
 > don't have much faith in the competency of my potential visitors, do
 > I!) Would this be one time time to break the unwritten rule or am I
 > just thinking *my* reason is different and justifies opening a new
 > window? Smile

If the visiters reaaly are that uninformed they would never be able to
figure out why their back button doesn'w work.

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(Msg. 15) Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 2:23 am
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T. Audry Glamour wrote:
 > ...
 > Thanks everyone so much for your input. I really respect your views. I
 > may at times interject silly comments to the group but I am learning
 > all the time.

Just don't forget your roots ;o)

 > Now back to the pointy stick...

Yee haa

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