Which is better object-oriented programming or script bas..

"Chris Gunn" <cgunn.TakeThisOut@bizynet.com> wrote in message
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 > On 29 Jul 2003 16:10:06 -0700, ali78600.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com (shah) wrote:
 >
  > >Which is better object-oriented programming or script based for
  > >ecommerce?
 >
 > Howdy,
 >
 > Good programming is automatically "object-oriented". That's only a fancy
 > word for clever static subroutines.
 >
  > >And which is better jsp or asp.net? I haven't heard of jsp
  > >can that run on windows server? I thinking of developing a ecommerce
  > >website which will get 1000 visitors per day.
  > >look forward to your reply
 >
 > None of these are suitable for a heavy use site since they use CGI script
 > threading and are subject to being trashed. Some hosts will refuse to
allow
 > shopping cart scripts to be installed or make you remove them. You'll be
 > further ahead to code a multi-threaded compiled executable such as
BIZyCart
 > uses. However, then you run into the problem of being able to install it.
 >
 > Why do you want to spend hundreds of hours reinventing the wheel? With a
 > real Ecommerce Server like BIZyCart, you can concentrate on the contents.
 >
<font color=purple> > Thanks, Chris <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.bizynet.com" target="_blank">www.bizynet.com</a> or <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.bizycart.com</font" target="_blank">www.bizycart.com</font</a>>
 > BIZynet Coordinator cgunn.TakeThisOut@bizynet.com
 > Moderator of biz.general, biz.marketplace.discussion, biz.healthcare,
 > biz.marketplace.web-design, biz.marketplace.international & others


Sorry, I understand you have a right to promote your product in your reply,
but I think you are
misleading the questioner here.

Whilst your product has certain advantages, to suggest that webhosts will
refuse script based carts is based on the
technology and attitudes of webhosts of the last century not of this.

As both a webhost and retail e-commerce owner, I can say quite categorically
that very few of the commercially available
carts cause the slightest problems even in heavily loaded shared
environments - we have a e-commerce store that runs a
mid price asp shopping cart on an MS SQL back end that way exceeds 1000
visitors a day and the server load is trivial

The only problem come from some of the free or open source carts where the
development is not regulated.

-- Chris<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Which is better object-oriented programming or script bas.. 

I have to agree with Chris (not the individual from bizynet).

If scripted applications were such a problem on sites with heavy
loads, why is Amazon, Ebay, and almost EVERY other major internet
retailer using them.

As for JSP on Windows - no problem. JSP should run on any J2EE
application server (which in turn can run on various platforms that
support the Java SDK) Yes, Windows Server falls into this category.
Simply use Resin, Tomcat, Jetty/JBoss, WebSphere etc etc.

Our Java Shopping Cart product uses JSP and runs successfully on
Windows, Linux, Solaris and any other platform that supports J2EE
standards. Server load is also not an issue with heavily visited sites
running our JSP ecommerce software.

Can you substantiate your claims regarding "None of these are suitable
for a heavy use site"?

Jason Billingsley
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Java Shopping Cart - MerchantSpace <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.merchantspace.com" target="_blank">http://www.merchantspace.com</a>
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 18:17:28 +0100, "Chris" <chris.DeleteThis@thekop.i12.com>
wrote:

 >
 >"Chris Gunn" <cgunn.DeleteThis@bizynet.com> wrote in message
 >news:s45eiv8gu1alqfavov0vqsp9snqgdnv2t4@4ax.com...
  >> On 29 Jul 2003 16:10:06 -0700, ali78600.DeleteThis@hotmail.com (shah) wrote:
  >>
   >> >Which is better object-oriented programming or script based for
   >> >ecommerce?
  >>
  >> Howdy,
  >>
  >> Good programming is automatically "object-oriented". That's only a fancy
  >> word for clever static subroutines.
  >>
   >> >And which is better jsp or asp.net? I haven't heard of jsp
   >> >can that run on windows server? I thinking of developing a ecommerce
   >> >website which will get 1000 visitors per day.
   >> >look forward to your reply
  >>
  >> None of these are suitable for a heavy use site since they use CGI script
  >> threading and are subject to being trashed. Some hosts will refuse to
 >allow
  >> shopping cart scripts to be installed or make you remove them. You'll be
  >> further ahead to code a multi-threaded compiled executable such as
 >BIZyCart
  >> uses. However, then you run into the problem of being able to install it.
  >>
  >> Why do you want to spend hundreds of hours reinventing the wheel? With a
  >> real Ecommerce Server like BIZyCart, you can concentrate on the contents.
  >>
<font color=green>  >> Thanks, Chris <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.bizynet.com" target="_blank">www.bizynet.com</a> or <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.bizycart.com</font" target="_blank">www.bizycart.com</font</a>>
  >> BIZynet Coordinator cgunn.DeleteThis@bizynet.com
  >> Moderator of biz.general, biz.marketplace.discussion, biz.healthcare,
  >> biz.marketplace.web-design, biz.marketplace.international & others
 >
 >
 >Sorry, I understand you have a right to promote your product in your reply,
 >but I think you are
 >misleading the questioner here.
 >
 >Whilst your product has certain advantages, to suggest that webhosts will
 >refuse script based carts is based on the
 >technology and attitudes of webhosts of the last century not of this.
 >
 >As both a webhost and retail e-commerce owner, I can say quite categorically
 >that very few of the commercially available
 >carts cause the slightest problems even in heavily loaded shared
 >environments - we have a e-commerce store that runs a
 >mid price asp shopping cart on an MS SQL back end that way exceeds 1000
 >visitors a day and the server load is trivial
 >
 >The only problem come from some of the free or open source carts where the
 >development is not regulated.
 >
 >-- Chris
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Which is better object-oriented programming or script bas.. 

On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 22:51:58 GMT, Jason Billingsley
<hotwheel DeleteThis @remove-canada.com> wrote:

 >I have to agree with Chris (not the individual from bizynet).
 >
 >If scripted applications were such a problem on sites with heavy
 >loads, why is Amazon, Ebay, and almost EVERY other major internet
 >retailer using them.

Howdy,

Partly because they can't run compiled software on Linux boxes and they have
been assuming the problems were unexplained glitches {grin}. Check with the
folks at networksolutions.com on how many domain name transactions get
scrambled or lost. I've had to repair the mess they made on two. If you
can get behind the scenes at Amazon and eBay they might tell you how often
things get messed up. Keep in mind, they DO NOT want information like this
made public.

 >Can you substantiate your claims regarding "None of these are suitable
 >for a heavy use site"?

With *written* permission from the hosting company and the site owner, I can
arrange to run loading tests to tell you just how many CGI threads can run
simultaneiously on a server without problems. I will not run tests like
this without hard documentation, since it may cause the server to reboot or
damage data files on other sites hosted on the server. It may also make it
easier for a hacker to break in while the testing is in progress.

Please do not try to run tests like this yourself unless you own the server
and know it will not disrupt any other sites.

Chris <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.bizynet.com" target="_blank">http://www.bizynet.com</a>
BIZynet Coordinator cgunn DeleteThis @bizynet.com
Moderator of biz.general, biz.marketplace.discussion, biz.healthcare,
biz.marketplace.web-design, biz.marketplace.international & others<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Which is better object-oriented programming or script bas.. 

I have to correct myself on a previous statement. Ebay is currently
using compiled code on Windows machines. They have recently announced
a switch to Java technology however and are 1/3 done implementation.

As for the statement that compiled code can't run on Linux boxes - it
can. However compiled code that uses Windows dependant functions or
services will not. Compiled executables are not write, once run
anywhere.

Remember, a poorly written executable is just a leathal as a poorly
written script.

As for benchmarking - if you have never run these tests, how can you
make this claim? The more info you can provide the better. I have
never heard this claim before.

Regards,
Jason Billingsley

---
Java Shopping Cart - MerchantSpace <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.merchantspace.com" target="_blank">http://www.merchantspace.com</a>


On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 12:53:56 -0500, Chris Gunn <cgunn DeleteThis @bizynet.com>
wrote:

 >On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 22:51:58 GMT, Jason Billingsley
 ><hotwheel DeleteThis @remove-canada.com> wrote:
 >
  >>I have to agree with Chris (not the individual from bizynet).
  >>
  >>If scripted applications were such a problem on sites with heavy
  >>loads, why is Amazon, Ebay, and almost EVERY other major internet
  >>retailer using them.
 >
 >Howdy,
 >
 >Partly because they can't run compiled software on Linux boxes and they have
 >been assuming the problems were unexplained glitches {grin}. Check with the
 >folks at networksolutions.com on how many domain name transactions get
 >scrambled or lost. I've had to repair the mess they made on two. If you
 >can get behind the scenes at Amazon and eBay they might tell you how often
 >things get messed up. Keep in mind, they DO NOT want information like this
 >made public.
 >
  >>Can you substantiate your claims regarding "None of these are suitable
  >>for a heavy use site"?
 >
 >With *written* permission from the hosting company and the site owner, I can
 >arrange to run loading tests to tell you just how many CGI threads can run
 >simultaneiously on a server without problems. I will not run tests like
 >this without hard documentation, since it may cause the server to reboot or
 >damage data files on other sites hosted on the server. It may also make it
 >easier for a hacker to break in while the testing is in progress.
 >
 >Please do not try to run tests like this yourself unless you own the server
 >and know it will not disrupt any other sites.
 >
<font color=purple> >Chris <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.bizynet.com</font" target="_blank">http://www.bizynet.com</font</a>>
 >BIZynet Coordinator cgunn DeleteThis @bizynet.com
 >Moderator of biz.general, biz.marketplace.discussion, biz.healthcare,
 >biz.marketplace.web-design, biz.marketplace.international & others<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Which is better object-oriented programming or script bas.. 

Just wanted to see how many Chris's could get posting in here before it gets
confusing....actually this question is for the other chris (not chris gunn)
on your setup that's getting 1000+ per day what's your physical hw specs,
and how many concurrent users can you support.

Thanks
chris

"Chris" <chris DeleteThis @thekop.i12.com> wrote in message
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 >
 > "Chris Gunn" <cgunn DeleteThis @bizynet.com> wrote in message
 > news:s45eiv8gu1alqfavov0vqsp9snqgdnv2t4@4ax.com...
  > > On 29 Jul 2003 16:10:06 -0700, ali78600 DeleteThis @hotmail.com (shah) wrote:
  > >
   > > >Which is better object-oriented programming or script based for
   > > >ecommerce?
  > >
  > > Howdy,
  > >
  > > Good programming is automatically "object-oriented". That's only a
fancy
  > > word for clever static subroutines.
  > >
   > > >And which is better jsp or asp.net? I haven't heard of jsp
   > > >can that run on windows server? I thinking of developing a ecommerce
   > > >website which will get 1000 visitors per day.
   > > >look forward to your reply
  > >
  > > None of these are suitable for a heavy use site since they use CGI
script
  > > threading and are subject to being trashed. Some hosts will refuse to
 > allow
  > > shopping cart scripts to be installed or make you remove them. You'll
be
  > > further ahead to code a multi-threaded compiled executable such as
 > BIZyCart
  > > uses. However, then you run into the problem of being able to install
it.
  > >
  > > Why do you want to spend hundreds of hours reinventing the wheel? With
a
  > > real Ecommerce Server like BIZyCart, you can concentrate on the
contents.
  > >
<font color=green>  > > Thanks, Chris <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.bizynet.com" target="_blank">www.bizynet.com</a> or <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.bizycart.com</font" target="_blank">www.bizycart.com</font</a>>
  > > BIZynet Coordinator cgunn DeleteThis @bizynet.com
  > > Moderator of biz.general, biz.marketplace.discussion, biz.healthcare,
  > > biz.marketplace.web-design, biz.marketplace.international & others
 >
 >
 > Sorry, I understand you have a right to promote your product in your
reply,
 > but I think you are
 > misleading the questioner here.
 >
 > Whilst your product has certain advantages, to suggest that webhosts will
 > refuse script based carts is based on the
 > technology and attitudes of webhosts of the last century not of this.
 >
 > As both a webhost and retail e-commerce owner, I can say quite
categorically
 > that very few of the commercially available
 > carts cause the slightest problems even in heavily loaded shared
 > environments - we have a e-commerce store that runs a
 > mid price asp shopping cart on an MS SQL back end that way exceeds 1000
 > visitors a day and the server load is trivial
 >
 > The only problem come from some of the free or open source carts where the
 > development is not regulated.
 >
 > -- Chris
 >
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Which is better object-oriented programming or script bas..