Where is the internet going?

In article <d5052c5d.0402101018.cd02ba8 RemoveThis @posting.google.com>, Duke of
Hazard says...
 > As we all know almost anyone can "publish" their own products,
 > services, and ideas on the internet for next to nothing. So why do
 > major corporations, the news media and entertainment industry continue
 > to have a strong hold on the population? My theory is because people
 > respond to them out of habit. I am guessing that things will shift
 > with the younger generation that has been brought up on the internet.

I usually only check news on the net. Tends to give more info than TV
and I can read global stories from different perspectives.

The internet wasn't even covered when I was at school (about 4 years
ago) but now they seem to be devoting entire lessons to it. I think most
children are more confident than adults with technology in general, and
the internet has become a part of daily life while they've been growing
up. It's only natural they'll find more ways to use it in their own
lives.

 > Or is it because the internet only reaches a small segment of the
 > population, i.e upper-middle class, college educated and beyond ? Just
 > trying to gather some of your thoughts and experiences on why the
 > internet isn't more dominant in today's society.

Television has had more time in front of the general public to evolve
into what it is today. The internet is becoming more popular, but TV
will always have a big influence.

How easy is it to watch TV news while getting on with something else?
Reading stories online usually means sitting in front of a monitor,
which some people may never take to. I know people at work who print
their emails before reading them.

Interesting subject though.

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 > Television has had more time in front of the general public to evolve
 > into what it is today. The internet is becoming more popular, but TV
 > will always have a big influence.
 >
 > How easy is it to watch TV news while getting on with something else?
 > Reading stories online usually means sitting in front of a monitor,
 > which some people may never take to. I know people at work who print
 > their emails before reading them.
 >

Again these behaviours are basically from habit. Personally i have
dinner in front of the monitor as I watch streaming sports videos,
check email, follow discussion board all the same time. With the TV on
I am stuck listening to one person's perspective.

I get the feeling that TV and mass communications are now appealing to
an audience with below average intelligence. Because anyone with
knowledge knows they can surf the internet to find most answers they
need, instead of getting biased views from one TV source.

So back to my original question, where is the reach of the internet
heading? Will it make TV, radio, books and newspapers obsolete? If so,
how long? If not, why?

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"Duke of Hazard" <faraz_hussain DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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 > As we all know almost anyone can "publish" their own products,
 > services, and ideas on the internet for next to nothing. So why do
 > major corporations, the news media and entertainment industry continue
 > to have a strong hold on the population? My theory is because people
 > respond to them out of habit. I am guessing that things will shift
 > with the younger generation that has been brought up on the internet.


Firstly, its most of the population, or at least its well above 50% now,
either at work or in the home.

Secondly not quite sure what you mean... I guess it doesn't matter what you
publish / promote - the bigger corps are going to have the better priced
service, the better information sources, the better access to the better
paid solutions...

Finally, how do you find these websites? these people can pay for their
marketing solutions...

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 > Finally, how do you find these websites? these people can pay for their
 > marketing solutions...
 >
 > Gerry

With Google u can find anything. In fact Google is so great that if
you don't like the answer, you can continue searching till you find
the answer you want to hear!

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faraz_hussain DeleteThis @yahoo.com (Duke of Hazard) wrote in
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 > As we all know almost anyone can "publish" their own products,
 > services, and ideas on the internet for next to nothing. So why do
 > major corporations, the news media and entertainment industry continue
 > to have a strong hold on the population? My theory is because people
 > respond to them out of habit. I am guessing that things will shift
 > with the younger generation that has been brought up on the internet.
 >
 > Or is it because the internet only reaches a small segment of the
 > population, i.e upper-middle class, college educated and beyond ? Just
 > trying to gather some of your thoughts and experiences on why the
 > internet isn't more dominant in today's society.
 >

The 'net reaches a far larger portion of the population than you may
think - while the penetration is higher in the upper-middle class, the
lower class certainly has access, too.

For example:

"Canadian consumers continue to connect to the
Internet, although the growth rate is slowing. Almost
two-thirds (60%) of Canadian households were
connected to the Internet in 2001, up from 51% in
2000.19 According to IDC, 63% of Canada’s
population had access to the Internet at the end of
2002 and 77% will have access in 2006."

From "Fast Forward 4.0 -- Growing Canada's Digital Economy"
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://cebi.ca/Public/Team1/Docs/ff4.pdf" target="_blank">http://cebi.ca/Public/Team1/Docs/ff4.pdf</a>

And you certainly can't say that 60% of Canadians are "upper middle
class"

While the major news media, as you say, have a strong hold on the
population, this is mostly due to the fact that a very large percentage
of the population are willing sheep - it's *easier* to accept what is
seen on the television while eating dinner, because they don't have to do
the actual mental work required to form their own questions - or - in
many cases - question what they see and hear.

Ever since the advent of the printing press, the technology has existed
for people to get their own messages out - the Internet is simply an
evolution on the same idea, but faster, cheaper and more efficient - you
still need the factor of people who are willing to question what others
(notably, the large corporations and media houses) pose as fact.



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 >
 > Ever since the advent of the printing press, the technology has existed
 > for people to get their own messages out - the Internet is simply an
 > evolution on the same idea, but faster, cheaper and more efficient - you
 > still need the factor of people who are willing to question what others
 > (notably, the large corporations and media houses) pose as fact.

I suppose you can say electronic communications ( radio, tv and phone)
were the next level of improvement over the printing press. Now it
seems like the internet is just a faster, cheaper and more efficient
improvement over the electronic media.

However unlike the tv, radio and phone which are dominated by a
handful of players, the internet seems a medley of "start-ups" with no
real dominant companies. So will yahoo and google become the CBS and
CNN of the future?

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Charging up on a white horse Marc Bissonnette said:
: this is mostly due to the fact that a very large
: percentage of the population are willing sheep - it's *easier* to accept
what is
: seen on the television while eating dinner, because they don't have
: to do the actual mental work required to form their own questions - or -
in
: many cases - question what they see and hear.

Exactly. I deal day to day with someone like that.
And when I try to discuss something interesting (news)
I found online I get ridiculed for visting these 'radical'
websites and believing what they say.

Which I never say I believe them but it does bring up some
interesting things for my brain to work on.

I question everything and that puts me at odds with
this person who just seems to believe everything he is
fed...

How can someone live like that?

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 > Charging up on a white horse Marc Bissonnette said:
 >: this is mostly due to the fact that a very large
 >: percentage of the population are willing sheep - it's *easier* to
 >: accept
 > what is
 >: seen on the television while eating dinner, because they don't have
 >: to do the actual mental work required to form their own questions -
 >: or -
 > in
 >: many cases - question what they see and hear.
 >
 > Exactly. I deal day to day with someone like that.
 > And when I try to discuss something interesting (news)
 > I found online I get ridiculed for visting these 'radical'
 > websites and believing what they say.
 >
 > Which I never say I believe them but it does bring up some
 > interesting things for my brain to work on.
 >
 > I question everything and that puts me at odds with
 > this person who just seems to believe everything he is
 > fed...
 >
 > How can someone live like that?

Ghu only knows. Geez, even in high school they teach that even bibles
(insert your religion here, they're all just as guilty) have been edited
to suit the political needs of whomever was in power at the moment.

If they'll do that to a whole religion, then putting a slant on the
evening news is certainly not only plausible, but highly probable, at
least in some events.

I mean, you can just see in some back room the white house press
secretary telling some higher-up of (insert big news org here) that
they'd better not be too harsh on criticism of the administration or
they'll find their access to the white house... restricted... That
translates into much lost dineros if a news channel is constantly being
scooped by a competitor because those in power won't even talk to them.

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 > "Heidi" <blackcat2.TakeThisOut@zwallet.com> wrote in
 > news:0QcWb.2100$vz1.1583@fe2.texas.rr.com:
 >
  > > Charging up on a white horse Marc Bissonnette said:
  > >: this is mostly due to the fact that a very large
  > >: percentage of the population are willing sheep - it's *easier* to
  > >: accept
  > > what is
  > >: seen on the television while eating dinner, because they don't have
  > >: to do the actual mental work required to form their own questions -
  > >: or -
  > > in
  > >: many cases - question what they see and hear.
  > >
  > > Exactly. I deal day to day with someone like that.
  > > And when I try to discuss something interesting (news)
  > > I found online I get ridiculed for visting these 'radical'
  > > websites and believing what they say.
  > >
  > > Which I never say I believe them but it does bring up some
  > > interesting things for my brain to work on.
  > >
  > > I question everything and that puts me at odds with
  > > this person who just seems to believe everything he is
  > > fed...
  > >
  > > How can someone live like that?
 >
 > Ghu only knows. Geez, even in high school they teach that even bibles
 > (insert your religion here, they're all just as guilty) have been edited
 > to suit the political needs of whomever was in power at the moment.
 >
 > If they'll do that to a whole religion, then putting a slant on the
 > evening news is certainly not only plausible, but highly probable, at
 > least in some events.
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Hi Marc,

I agree with you in that I test everything I read/hear as well which can
really make some folks upset.

The teaching that the bible's have been modified is an interesting topic and
a hobby of mine. It is really easy to get hold of the manuscripts once
removed from the originals and test current versions for accuracy.

When we do that we find that the New King James and the NASB are pretty much
exact translations of the original texts. Since the ancient Jews are know
for their meticulous record keeping in all matters, it can be safely assumed
that the oldest manuscripts we have today, both old and new testament, are
accurate accounts of what those people observed at that time.

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faraz_hussain.DeleteThis@yahoo.com (Duke of Hazard) wrote in
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 > Marc Bissonnette <dragnet.DeleteThis@internalysis.com> wrote in message
 > news:<Xns948BA9256A9B4dragnetinternalysisc.DeleteThis@207.35.177.135>...
 >
  >>
  >> Ever since the advent of the printing press, the technology has
  >> existed for people to get their own messages out - the Internet is
  >> simply an evolution on the same idea, but faster, cheaper and more
  >> efficient - you still need the factor of people who are willing to
  >> question what others (notably, the large corporations and media
  >> houses) pose as fact.
 >
 > I suppose you can say electronic communications ( radio, tv and phone)
 > were the next level of improvement over the printing press. Now it
 > seems like the internet is just a faster, cheaper and more efficient
 > improvement over the electronic media.
 >
 > However unlike the tv, radio and phone which are dominated by a
 > handful of players, the internet seems a medley of "start-ups" with no
 > real dominant companies. So will yahoo and google become the CBS and
 > CNN of the future?

To an extent, yes, they will - there will always be the sheep who will
simply use CNN, for example, as their sole news source and Google, for
example, as their sole research tool.

Unless the very fundamentals of the Internet itself changes radically,
however, there will always be this type of direct expression of ideas
that can reach potentially millions of people with little cost to the
user (in this case, me)

We, however, have a responsibility as 'net professionals to continually
educate those we come in contact with that there is more to the 'net than
CNN, Google and Outlook Express. I cannot even begin to tell you the
number of people who have come back to me and said "That Usenet thing...
Wow, I had no idea!" when I've shown them the sheer power of Usenet as an
alternative research, learning and communications tool. I mean, that's
basically why the Internet has become as popular as it is today - not
thanks to the CNN's of the world, but to people like us who grew steadily
in numbers over the decades until critical mass was reached in the late
eighties and early nineties.

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faraz_hussain.DeleteThis@yahoo.com (Duke of Hazard) wrote in message news:<d5052c5d.0402101018.cd02ba8.DeleteThis@posting.google.com>...
 > As we all know almost anyone can "publish" their own products,
 > services, and ideas on the internet for next to nothing. So why do
 > major corporations, the news media and entertainment industry continue
 > to have a strong hold on the population? My theory is because people
 > respond to them out of habit. I am guessing that things will shift
 > with the younger generation that has been brought up on the internet.
 >
 > Or is it because the internet only reaches a small segment of the
 > population, i.e upper-middle class, college educated and beyond ? Just
 > trying to gather some of your thoughts and experiences on why the
 > internet isn't more dominant in today's society.
 >
 > Faraz

Hi Faraz,

Web programming has evolved quite a bit since I've been a professional
web programmer (5 years now). When I started, web programming was
mainly to create 'here we are' pages or Intranets to show company
'whats new' stuff. Now, more and more folks are dropping VB and C to
write their applications in dynamic web code like PHP, ASP, Cold
Fusion, etc. I've done both web and application programming over the
years, and I'd say it's more lucrative to be a web programmer then
application programmer now'days. Also, with web programming, you have
MANY areas of focus, like layout, graphic design, programming, etc.

Another trend I'm seeing are folks doing web programming either as a
side venture or becoming a web entrepreneur. I work for a company as
a professional web programmer where I maintain their Internet,
Intranet, plus many web-based apps... but I also do web programming on
the side. I've seen folks leave their fill-time gig to pursue web
programming full time. You'll need a certain drive and it helps to
have a partner... but it's working for me. For me, I'm setting up a
colocated server, and I have someone who knows little about web code
who'll be my front person (setup gigs, talk to customers, etc) and
I'll do all the code and maintain the server. We both have and will
keep our full-time jobs, so any money made will be icing on the cake.

But to get back to your questions.. where's the Internet going, it's
moving fast. I hate that it's become so commercial in general, but
there's still plenty of areas for the smaller guys to jump on board.
You just need the drive to keep-up with technology.

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"Duke of Hazard" <faraz_hussain.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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 > "Gerry White - use my name at dergal dot come for email"
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  > > Finally, how do you find these websites? these people can pay for their
  > > marketing solutions...
  > >
  > > Gerry
 >
 > With Google u can find anything. In fact Google is so great that if
 > you don't like the answer, you can continue searching till you find
 > the answer you want to hear!

google is so good that normally if its there... its on that first page (mine
is set to maximum no of results though). & let face it larger commercial
sites often rank better for many reasons...

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On 10 Feb 2004 19:42:01 -0800, Duke of Hazard <faraz_hussain DeleteThis @yahoo.com>
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 > So back to my original question, where is the reach of the internet
 > heading? Will it make TV, radio, books and newspapers obsolete? If so,
 > how long? If not, why?

No. Newspapers won't be obsolete until computers get small enough, thin
enough, and cheap enough that you can buy one at a stand somewhere. There
is something about being able to take "your copy" of a newspaper to lunch,
or to a sports event, where you have little fear about leaving it behind
for someone else to use.

Books likely will never become obsolete. It's much easier on the human
eye to read static text on paper than the luminous text on a computer
screen. Books are also much more durable, and considering the punishment
many books go through these days during a read, that's a good thing.

As long as there are cars and music there will be radio. Because you must
focus your sense of sight on the road around you while driving, your sense
of hearing is freed to listen to the radio. As well, since music is an
important part of human civilisation, the easiest way to distribute this
music it broadcasting. Although in the future, more and more of these
radio stations will be simulcasted on the internet.

Rather than TV becoming obsolete, computer and television technology will
merge. TV tuners will become standard equipment on most motherboards.
And as people gain more control over the channels incoming into their
homes, network television will fade into history.

Grey

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