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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 8:47 am
Post subject: self hosted ecommerce solution question
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I am running apache2 with SSL on my XP machine for the last eight
months. There has not been a problem as of yet. . I have had shopping
cart installed for the last 6 months and seems to be working fine.
Backups are done automatically to a networked machine. I intend to
populate the cart with product and release to the public. Before I take
the machine out of maintenance mode I will be asking my ISP for a
static IP and an increase in speed.
It seems to me that the more popular approach to opening a e-commerce
site is to have it hosted by a third party - I can see the advantages,
but I am wondering how many people are doing there own hosting.
Technically it just doesn't seem that challenging, and the arguments
about power backup, shopping cart configuration and backups seem
shallow.
I do agree that security is an important issue not just for the vendor
but also for the buyer - but keeping the holes plugged does not seem
to be a big deal, there are many how to books available for this.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 7:10 pm
Post subject: Re: self hosted ecommerce solution question [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On 21 Apr 2006 08:47:36 -0700, "qwerty" <bpb1024.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I do agree that security is an important issue not just for the vendor
>but also for the buyer - but keeping the holes plugged does not seem
>to be a big deal, there are many how to books available for this.
>
>Any comments would be appreciated.
Howdy,
You won't feel so great when you have to rebuild the server from scratch to
get rid of what has probably already invaded it without your knowing about
it. You only get what you pay for.
Paying $5,000 for each credit card number you compromise also gets rather
painful. Trying to run your own server when professionals have to struggle
with it is very foolish.
Thanks, Chris www.bizynet.com and www.bizycart.com
BIZynet Coordinator cgunn.TakeThisOut@bizynet.com - (505) 586-1225
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Since: Jul 25, 2006
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:34 pm
Post subject: Re: self hosted ecommerce solution question [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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qwerty wrote:
> I am running apache2 with SSL on my XP machine for the last eight
> months. There has not been a problem as of yet. . I have had shopping
> cart installed for the last 6 months and seems to be working fine.
> Backups are done automatically to a networked machine. I intend to
> populate the cart with product and release to the public. Before I take
> the machine out of maintenance mode I will be asking my ISP for a
> static IP and an increase in speed.
>
> It seems to me that the more popular approach to opening a e-commerce
> site is to have it hosted by a third party - I can see the advantages,
> but I am wondering how many people are doing there own hosting.
> Technically it just doesn't seem that challenging, and the arguments
> about power backup, shopping cart configuration and backups seem
> shallow.
>
> I do agree that security is an important issue not just for the vendor
> but also for the buyer - but keeping the holes plugged does not seem
> to be a big deal, there are many how to books available for this.
>
> Any comments would be appreciated.
>
Professional hosting should be in a hosting facility with fire control,
air con and most importantly physical security (24/365).
Even if (and I say "if") you are able to protect your server from the
nasties of the internet, then the weak point becomes your physical
security of the server. Could someone break in and steal the machine? If
so they've just made off with hundreds of credit cards.
Toady >> Stay informed about: self hosted ecommerce solution question |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:27 am
Post subject: Re: self hosted ecommerce solution question [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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toady of toad hall wrote:
> Even if (and I say "if") you are able to protect your server from the
> nasties of the internet, then the weak point becomes your physical
> security of the server. Could someone break in and steal the machine? If
> so they've just made off with hundreds of credit cards.
>
> Toady
I'm new to this subject (trying to learn about e-commerce systems and
evaluate them). So this is more of a question than an argument.
If you use 3rd party card processing you don't have to keep any card
numbers around........all you need is
a "transaction confirmation" number from the card clearing service, no?
Somebody has to keep track of the card number, so returns
and disputes can be settled. But 99% of the time it's a bonded
and insured 3rd party service, outside the confines of the
shopping cart software on your little mom and pop website, no? >> Stay informed about: self hosted ecommerce solution question |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:58 pm
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In article <C6KdnZLHwrJIwRfbnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d DeleteThis @bresnan.com>,
poacher DeleteThis @blasphemy.org says...
> toady of toad hall wrote:
>
> > Even if (and I say "if") you are able to protect your server from the
> > nasties of the internet, then the weak point becomes your physical
> > security of the server. Could someone break in and steal the machine? If
> > so they've just made off with hundreds of credit cards.
> >
> > Toady
>
> I'm new to this subject (trying to learn about e-commerce systems and
> evaluate them). So this is more of a question than an argument.
>
> If you use 3rd party card processing you don't have to keep any card
> numbers around........all you need is
> a "transaction confirmation" number from the card clearing service, no?
>
> Somebody has to keep track of the card number, so returns
> and disputes can be settled. But 99% of the time it's a bonded
> and insured 3rd party service, outside the confines of the
> shopping cart software on your little mom and pop website, no?
>
>
>
makes sense - I'd never buy from any small company that collects credit
card details themselves. If they ask for mine before I see paypal or
another recognised transaction company I go elsewhere.
Small companies should simply not be allowed to collect that peiece of
information without police approved security such as carried out for
firearms certificate holders in the UK.
That includes your local offlicense swiping the card - theere is no
excuse for them to have the number either. >> Stay informed about: self hosted ecommerce solution question |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:15 pm
Post subject: Re: self hosted ecommerce solution question [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 08:27:21 -0600, Darnel <poacher.TakeThisOut@blasphemy.org> wrote:
>I'm new to this subject (trying to learn about e-commerce systems and
>evaluate them). So this is more of a question than an argument.
>
>If you use 3rd party card processing you don't have to keep any card
>numbers around........all you need is
>a "transaction confirmation" number from the card clearing service, no?
Howdy,
Wrong! You will run into all kinds of problems if you do not *securely*
retain credit card numbers and associated information. You need some way to
securely retrieve ALL of the details for your personal records.
>Somebody has to keep track of the card number, so returns
>and disputes can be settled. But 99% of the time it's a bonded
>and insured 3rd party service, outside the confines of the
>shopping cart software on your little mom and pop website, no?
It is your responsiblity to keep track of card transactions. There are a
bunch of hobby shopping carts that put you at risk on this. Even little mom
& pop websites can be fined thousands of dollars if they make poor choices
for handling card transactions.
Thanks, Chris www.bizynet.com and www.bizycart.com
BIZynet Coordinator cgunn.TakeThisOut@bizynet.com - (505) 586-1225
Moderator of biz.ecommerce, biz.general, biz.marketplace.discussion,
biz.marketplace.web-design, biz.marketplace.international & others >> Stay informed about: self hosted ecommerce solution question |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 8:37 pm
Post subject: Re: self hosted ecommerce solution question [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Jul 13, 12:59 am, b....TakeThisOut@parsec.com wrote:
> In article <C6KdnZLHwrJIwRfbnZ2dnUVZ_iydn....TakeThisOut@bresnan.com>,
> poac....TakeThisOut@blasphemy.org says...
>
>
>
> > toady of toad hall wrote:
>
> > > Even if (and I say "if") you are able to protect your server from the
> > > nasties of the internet, then the weak point becomes your physical
> > > security of the server. Could someone break in and steal the machine? If
> > > so they've just made off with hundreds of credit cards.
>
> > > Toady
>
> > I'm new to this subject (trying to learn about e-commerce systems and
> > evaluate them). So this is more of aquestionthan an argument.
>
> > If you use 3rd party card processing you don't have to keep any card
> > numbers around........all you need is
> > a "transaction confirmation" number from the card clearing service, no?
>
> > Somebody has to keep track of the card number, so returns
> > and disputes can be settled. But 99% of the time it's a bonded
> > and insured 3rd party service, outside the confines of the
> > shopping cart software on your little mom and pop website, no?
>
> makes sense - I'd never buy from any small company that collects credit
> card details themselves. If they ask for mine before I see paypal or
> another recognised transaction company I go elsewhere.
>
> Small companies should simply not be allowed to collect that peiece of
> information without police approved security such as carried out for
> firearms certificate holders in the UK.
>
> That includes your local offlicense swiping the card - theere is no
> excuse for them to have the number either.
> > If you use 3rd party card processing you don't have to keep any card
> > numbers around........all you need is
> > a "transaction confirmation" number from the card clearing service, no?
Exactly. We are using PayPal and all records are in PayPal. Our
customers and we both feel more safe.
And personally I won't buy at any small ecommerce website unless they
used some big company which I have known to collect money.
Best regards,
Kelvin Gan
Ewisoft Website Builder - Make your website in minutes
http://www.ewisoft.com/
Ewisoft eCommerce Builder - Add eCommerce to your website in minutes.
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