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Tony wrote:

> John Dalberg wrote:
>> That's fine. I'll just wait for someone who doesn't assume everyone asking
>> that question to be a spammer.
> >
>> Also people who have this naive assumption do not explain why they think
>> someone asking for a script to automate a domain registration is a spammer.
>
> I notice that you're very focused on the spam argument, and are not even
> trying to address the domain squatting and link farm issues.
>
> Rather than hollering and calling names, do you think you could explain
> the legitimate reason you have to bypass the safeguards, to automate a
> process that registrars expect to be handled by humans, and to register
> that many domains in the first place?
>
>> So can someone of these people who suggested I have a sleezy plan explain
>> to me why they think a spammer needs a domain name and also explain why
>> they think the method of registering a domain name makes a big difference?
>> As if registering a domain name manually will stop a spammer but using a
>> script, well that's a spammers dream. Please explain you logic because I am
>> intrigued. I want to understand their logic behind their thinking.
>
> It has been explained. It has nothing to do with spam. It has everything
> to do with domain squatting and link farming. You, apparently, don't
> want to address it.

We sharks, as marine predators, know something about food fish; and to me
his continued denials of being spammy (while not addressing your other
two points at all) do indeed appear to be of the red herring species.


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Tony <nospam RemoveThis @example.com> wrote:
> John Dalberg wrote:
> > Tony <nospam RemoveThis @example.com> wrote:
> >> How many domains are you planning on squatting?
> >>
> >> You're saying you want to register 10 domains PER DAY. There is no
> >> possible way you can be building websites for that many, so the only
> >> conclusion I'm left to reach is that you're either squatting domains
> >> or building automated link farms - neither of which is a legitimate
> >> business use.
> >>
> >> You want to automate the registration process. With GoDaddy, at least,
> >> the longest part of the process is FINDING the domains - you can spend
> >> all kinds of time looking for good domains, put them all into the same
> >> checkout process, and then go through checkout once. You're saying
> >> that the 2 minutes it takes to go through the checkout process is too
> >> much work?
> >>
> >> "Like I said in my original post, I am paying for the names." - So
> >> you're paying. That means nothing.
> >>
> >> "There's no bad intent." - squatting or link farms is bad intent. I
> >> find it extremely difficult to conceive of any legitimate circumstance
> >> that would warrant the registration of 10 domain names PER DAY. That's
> >> $100 per day in expenses. How many domains are you planning on
> >> registering? What are you going to do with all these domains?
> >>
> >> You asked what is suspicious? Well, the fact that you want automated
> >> and cheap is suspicious. There are reasons that the registrars want to
> >> be sure that REAL PEOPLE are registering domains. People who want to
> >> bypass those constraints rarely have legitimate, honest reasons for
> >> doing so.

How about automated and expensive, would that make you happy?
I want to host sites and register domain names on behalf of customers. Is
that a good enough reason?

Who said registrars want real people to register domain names? Otherwise
you would see captchas in their order forms being used and I haven't seen
any. Registrars want to sell any many domain names as they can as long as
you pay for them. They are not in the business of determining your
intension of using the domain names. It's not best to their interest to
stop scripts. If you are paying for them, why should they. Otherwise why do
they even offer bulk registrations?


> Had you done any research before posting here, you would know that most
> of us here don't like domain squatters and link farms. Maybe you should
> take that hike.

You and the others' suspicions are based on weak logic. You're the one
making all the wrong assumptions, not me. Just because I want to use a
script, you and some others quickly assume.. "oh he must be a spammer" or
"he must be a domain squatter". If I am a domain squatter, what stops me
from using bulk registration which is offered by some registrars. or I can
hire cheap labor in India or China to do any labor intensive work.

I am refuting your weak claims. Maybe if I did some research, I would
conclude this group has always had the same kind of trolls. They can't
provide real answers and want to think they know something when they
actually don't. The fact is most respectful people who do not know will
keep quiet and the known trolls love to stir trouble, pretend they know
more and just show their ignorance.

I provided a url with the same question from back in 2004. I get the same
useless replies from the same type of group. I will try again in 2012.
I guess I have been trying for 4 years and still trying.

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Tony <nospam.DeleteThis@example.com> wrote:
> John Dalberg wrote:
> > That's fine. I'll just wait for someone who doesn't assume everyone
> > asking that question to be a spammer.
> >
> > Also people who have this naive assumption do not explain why they
> > think someone asking for a script to automate a domain registration is
> > a spammer.
>
> I notice that you're very focused on the spam argument, and are not even
> trying to address the domain squatting and link farm issues.

That's because I am very convinced that no one actually knows the answer or
registrars really do not provide API's to the process. They do if you're a
reseller and I am not a reseller and do not plan to be one. Personally I
think reselling is a scam. You have to pay a big setup fee in the thousands
(observation based on eNom's site) and then sell domain names which cost
more than discount registars. It doesn't sound like a good business model
for starters. Unless someone can tell me otherwise. I am all ears.

The spam argument was not brought up by me but I am actually amused by the
weak arguments that some brought up that you need to register domain names
through a script to be able to spam as if I registered them manually I
can't. No one provided any logic in that direction.

The link farm issue was brought by you only just a post ago. I told you if
I want to create a link farm I can use bulk registration which is provided
by several registrars. You need to provide a valid point that bulk
registration is not suitable for link farms.

>
> Rather than hollering and calling names, do you think you could explain
> the legitimate reason you have to bypass the safeguards, to automate a
> process that registrars expect to be handled by humans, and to register
> that many domains in the first place?

I gave you the reason and asking me doesn't prove anything. I can be a
spammer and give you all kinds of BS answers that you like to hear just to
make you satisfied, I get what I wanted and then move along and say "what a
dumbass".

> It has been explained. It has nothing to do with spam. It has everything
> to do with domain squatting and link farming. You, apparently, don't
> want to address it.

So we moved from the spam issue to link farms. I gave you answers. What
next.. acuse me of redirects to porn sites? In the end I am spending time
replying to silly allegations and I do know for a fact you yourself do not
have the answers but I going along for the ride. Nothing entertains me more
than seeing people being ridiculous and proving how wrong they are.

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John Dalberg wrote:

> Tony <nospam.RemoveThis@example.com> wrote:
> > [snip]
> > You're saying you want to register 10 domains PER DAY. There is no
> > possible way you can be building websites for that many, so the only
> > conclusion I'm left to reach is that you're either squatting
> > domains or building automated link farms - neither of which is a
> > legitimate business use.
> >
> > You want to automate the registration process. With GoDaddy, at
> > least, the longest part of the process is FINDING the domains - you
> > can spend all kinds of time looking for good domains, put them all
> > into the same checkout process, and then go through checkout once.
> > You're saying that the 2 minutes it takes to go through the
> > checkout process is too much work?
> >
> > "Like I said in my original post, I am paying for the names." - So
> > you're paying. That means nothing.
> >
> > "There's no bad intent." - squatting or link farms is bad intent. I
> > find it extremely difficult to conceive of any legitimate
> > circumstance that would warrant the registration of 10 domain names
> > PER DAY. That's $100 per day in expenses. How many domains are you
> > planning on registering? What are you going to do with all these
> > domains?
> >
> > You asked what is suspicious? Well, the fact that you want
> > automated and cheap is suspicious. There are reasons that the
> > registrars want to be sure that REAL PEOPLE are registering
> > domains. People who want to bypass those constraints rarely have
> > legitimate, honest reasons for doing so.
>
> Who the hell are you to decide I don't need 10 domain names per day
> and that paying for them means nothing? Is there a limit set by any
> organization? No there aren't. If I am paying for them, I have the
> right to pay for one a year or 10 a day.

Of course you have the right to register 10 domain names a day. If you
can afford it, you could even register 100 domain names a day. The
question remains, why would you need to?

> There's nothing wrong for using a script to automate a process as
> long as I am paying for them. eBay has an api. Amazon has an api and
> thousands of online services provide.

You're basically comparing apples and oranges here; just being an
online retailer of any kind doesn't require you to provide an API. eBay
has an API for their sellers, or for the development of seller tools.
Amazon has an API for their sellers (affiliates) and their existing
customers (storage/hosting).

Similarily, registrars such as GoDaddy has an API for some of their
resellers via their WildWestDomains subsidiary. Their API reseller plan
costs $249 per year, but considering you'll already be registering 10
domains a day, that would be a minor cost.

Other registrars have similar APIs, but again, only availble for their
resellers.

> You're a turd to take the stance of guilty until proven innocent and
> telling me the longest part is finding a name as if I am registering
> any name or I don't know a thing about the process. It's none of your
> business what I plan to do with the names. Take a hike.

As others have pointed out, the fact that you're planning on ordering
that many domain names PER DAY, is suspicious. The frequently observed
uses for that many domain names are considered illegitimate, and your
refusal to disclose any details (or even a hint) only makes you seem
more suspicious.

I'd say the "innocent until proven guilty" stance only applies to
criminal courts, and even then, you're bound to be a suspect of the
crime at the start of the process.

Also, becoming increasingly impolite when facing the charges only comes
back to you.

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Red E. Kilowatt wrote:

> John Dalberg <nospam RemoveThis @nospam.sss> wrote in message:
> 20080217210933.807$4B@newsreader.com,
> > Who the hell are you to decide I don't need 10 domain names per day
> > and that paying for them means nothing? Is there a limit set by any
> > organization? No there aren't. If I am paying for them, I have the
> > right to pay for one a year or 10 a day.
>
> True. But what you don't have a right to is some free advice from
> anyone in AWW.
>
> It's not unusual for people to be questioned as to why they are
> asking how to do certain things, because often times there are better
> ways of going about it. Occasionally the answers given lead to
> suspicions that someone may be up to no good. If one reacts badly to
> additional questions, the suspicions become assumptions.

And what the hell, Kenny - ASSumptions are your *speciality*, right?

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Kim_André_Akerø <kimandre.RemoveThis@NOSPAMbetadome.com> wrote:
> John Dalberg wrote:
>
> > Tony <nospam.RemoveThis@example.com> wrote:
> > > [snip]
> > > You're saying you want to register 10 domains PER DAY. There is no
> > > possible way you can be building websites for that many, so the only
> > > conclusion I'm left to reach is that you're either squatting
> > > domains or building automated link farms - neither of which is a
> > > legitimate business use.
> > >
> > > You want to automate the registration process. With GoDaddy, at
> > > least, the longest part of the process is FINDING the domains - you
> > > can spend all kinds of time looking for good domains, put them all
> > > into the same checkout process, and then go through checkout once.
> > > You're saying that the 2 minutes it takes to go through the
> > > checkout process is too much work?
> > >
> > > "Like I said in my original post, I am paying for the names." - So
> > > you're paying. That means nothing.
> > >
> > > "There's no bad intent." - squatting or link farms is bad intent. I
> > > find it extremely difficult to conceive of any legitimate
> > > circumstance that would warrant the registration of 10 domain names
> > > PER DAY. That's $100 per day in expenses. How many domains are you
> > > planning on registering? What are you going to do with all these
> > > domains?
> > >
> > > You asked what is suspicious? Well, the fact that you want
> > > automated and cheap is suspicious. There are reasons that the
> > > registrars want to be sure that REAL PEOPLE are registering
> > > domains. People who want to bypass those constraints rarely have
> > > legitimate, honest reasons for doing so.
> >
> > Who the hell are you to decide I don't need 10 domain names per day
> > and that paying for them means nothing? Is there a limit set by any
> > organization? No there aren't. If I am paying for them, I have the
> > right to pay for one a year or 10 a day.
>
> Of course you have the right to register 10 domain names a day. If you
> can afford it, you could even register 100 domain names a day. The
> question remains, why would you need to?

Web hosting.

>
> > There's nothing wrong for using a script to automate a process as
> > long as I am paying for them. eBay has an api. Amazon has an api and
> > thousands of online services provide.
>
> You're basically comparing apples and oranges here; just being an
> online retailer of any kind doesn't require you to provide an API. eBay
> has an API for their sellers, or for the development of seller tools.
> Amazon has an API for their sellers (affiliates) and their existing
> customers (storage/hosting).

I didn't say it's required. APIs are an aid. Maybe I didn't give good
examples. How about yelp.com and Google maps? These are not retailers.

>
> Similarily, registrars such as GoDaddy has an API for some of their
> resellers via their WildWestDomains subsidiary. Their API reseller plan
> costs $249 per year, but considering you'll already be registering 10
> domains a day, that would be a minor cost.
>
> Other registrars have similar APIs, but again, only availble for their
> resellers.

I am not a reseller. Why do you have to be a reseller to be able to use
APIs?

>
> > You're a turd to take the stance of guilty until proven innocent and
> > telling me the longest part is finding a name as if I am registering
> > any name or I don't know a thing about the process. It's none of your
> > business what I plan to do with the names. Take a hike.
>
> As others have pointed out, the fact that you're planning on ordering
> that many domain names PER DAY, is suspicious. The frequently observed
> uses for that many domain names are considered illegitimate, and your
> refusal to disclose any details (or even a hint) only makes you seem
> more suspicious.

It's for web hosting.


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John Dalberg wrote:

> Kim_André_Akerø <kimandre.TakeThisOut@NOSPAMbetadome.com> wrote:
> > John Dalberg wrote:
> >
> > > Tony <nospam.TakeThisOut@example.com> wrote:
> > > > [snip]
> > > > You're saying you want to register 10 domains PER DAY. There is
> > > > no possible way you can be building websites for that many, so
> > > > the only conclusion I'm left to reach is that you're either
> > > > squatting domains or building automated link farms - neither of
> > > > which is a legitimate business use.
> > > >
> > > > You want to automate the registration process. With GoDaddy, at
> > > > least, the longest part of the process is FINDING the domains -
> > > > you can spend all kinds of time looking for good domains, put
> > > > them all into the same checkout process, and then go through
> > > > checkout once. You're saying that the 2 minutes it takes to go
> > > > through the checkout process is too much work?
> > > >
> > > > "Like I said in my original post, I am paying for the names." -
> > > > So you're paying. That means nothing.
> > > >
> > > > "There's no bad intent." - squatting or link farms is bad
> > > > intent. I find it extremely difficult to conceive of any
> > > > legitimate circumstance that would warrant the registration of
> > > > 10 domain names PER DAY. That's $100 per day in expenses. How
> > > > many domains are you planning on registering? What are you
> > > > going to do with all these domains?
> > > >
> > > > You asked what is suspicious? Well, the fact that you want
> > > > automated and cheap is suspicious. There are reasons that the
> > > > registrars want to be sure that REAL PEOPLE are registering
> > > > domains. People who want to bypass those constraints rarely have
> > > > legitimate, honest reasons for doing so.
> > >
> > > Who the hell are you to decide I don't need 10 domain names per
> > > day and that paying for them means nothing? Is there a limit set
> > > by any organization? No there aren't. If I am paying for them, I
> > > have the right to pay for one a year or 10 a day.
> >
> > Of course you have the right to register 10 domain names a day. If
> > you can afford it, you could even register 100 domain names a day.
> > The question remains, why would you need to?
>
> Web hosting.
>
> >
> > > There's nothing wrong for using a script to automate a process as
> > > long as I am paying for them. eBay has an api. Amazon has an api
> > > and thousands of online services provide.
> >
> > You're basically comparing apples and oranges here; just being an
> > online retailer of any kind doesn't require you to provide an API.
> > eBay has an API for their sellers, or for the development of seller
> > tools. Amazon has an API for their sellers (affiliates) and their
> > existing customers (storage/hosting).
>
> I didn't say it's required. APIs are an aid. Maybe I didn't give good
> examples. How about yelp.com and Google maps? These are not retailers.
>
> >
> > Similarily, registrars such as GoDaddy has an API for some of their
> > resellers via their WildWestDomains subsidiary. Their API reseller
> > plan costs $249 per year, but considering you'll already be
> > registering 10 domains a day, that would be a minor cost.
> >
> > Other registrars have similar APIs, but again, only availble for
> > their resellers.
>
> I am not a reseller. Why do you have to be a reseller to be able to
> use APIs?
>
> >
> > > You're a turd to take the stance of guilty until proven innocent
> > > and telling me the longest part is finding a name as if I am
> > > registering any name or I don't know a thing about the process.
> > > It's none of your business what I plan to do with the names. Take
> > > a hike.
> >
> > As others have pointed out, the fact that you're planning on
> > ordering that many domain names PER DAY, is suspicious. The
> > frequently observed uses for that many domain names are considered
> > illegitimate, and your refusal to disclose any details (or even a
> > hint) only makes you seem more suspicious.
>
> It's for web hosting.

Fair enough, although I don't see the point.

Anywho, the answer is "yes" if you want to automate domain
registrations and/or use an API for this, you should become a domain
reseller.

Yes, eBay, Amazon and Goggle Maps do provide an API for free, but they
still require you to register yourself as a developer.

Although you keep on saying you don't want to become a reseller,
there's no big rule that you have to use the API towards a public
service. AFAIK, you can just as well use the reseller API in an
internal shop, ie. a shop where you're the only "customer" who has
access and/or remake the order process as you see fit. Depending on
your programming skills, you get a lot of freedom there.

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On 2008-02-18, John Dalberg <nospam.DeleteThis@nospam.sss> replied to me,

> So can someone of these people who suggested I have a sleezy plan explain
> to me why they think a spammer needs a domain name and also explain why
> they think the method of registering a domain name makes a big difference?

You've already been told why.



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On 2008-02-18, John Dalberg <nospam DeleteThis @nospam.sss> wrote:

> Who said registrars want real people to register domain names? Otherwise
> you would see captchas in their order forms being used and I haven't seen
> any.

You DO see captchas, you flaming idiot. Try registering a domain at GoDaddy's
site, or use one of their resellers - they all use the same web-based backend.

Do ALL registrars use them? No. But between Godaddy's retail division and
their resellers, NOT including any other registrars, that's an awful lot of
domains for which you must answer a captcha to complete the registration.



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John Dalberg wrote:
>
> I have explained to idiots like you

Yeah, the regulars in this group are the idiots. Got it.

> have unverifiable suspicions that one
> doesn't need to use domain names to spam.

What about squatting or link farming? I notice you STILL haven't
addressed that. You seem pretty stuck on spam.

I'm curious as to why you're still trying to argue it. Are you trying to
convince US? (If so, you are definitely going about it in the wrong
way). Or are you trying to convince yourself?

> You NEVER explained what
> all this suspicions is based on. Just the matter of mentioning 'script',
> you automatically become shitless suspicious.

One last time: You want to automate an already simple process to
register an abnormally large number of domain names. For some reason,
you seem to equate "suspicious" with "you're a freakin' scammer".

I've been the subject of inaccurate suspicions before. Rather than
hollering about it and getting defensive, I have responded with a clear
explanation of my intentions.

You, however, chose to respond angrily - frankly, rather childishly. And
you're apparently not even paying attention to who is who. Let's get
this straight - *I* am the one who mentioned that your questions, taken
together, were suspicious. I have stated my reasons. Your initial
response was to call me a "turd".

And then you wonder why you get the reaction you do. Amazing.

> I also already mentioned why
> I wanted to use a script.

I seem to have missed that. What was the reason again?

> You keep tackling this subject from a mindless
> side.

One side is seeming mindless. I'll leave it to impartial observers to
conclude which.
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Kim_André_Akerø <kimandre.RemoveThis@NOSPAMbetadome.com> wrote:
> John Dalberg wrote:
>
> > Kim_André_Akerø <kimandre.RemoveThis@NOSPAMbetadome.com> wrote:
> > > John Dalberg wrote:
> > >
> > > > Tony <nospam.RemoveThis@example.com> wrote:
> > > > > [snip]
> > > > > You're saying you want to register 10 domains PER DAY. There is
> > > > > no possible way you can be building websites for that many, so
> > > > > the only conclusion I'm left to reach is that you're either
> > > > > squatting domains or building automated link farms - neither of
> > > > > which is a legitimate business use.
> > > > >
> > > > > You want to automate the registration process. With GoDaddy, at
> > > > > least, the longest part of the process is FINDING the domains -
> > > > > you can spend all kinds of time looking for good domains, put
> > > > > them all into the same checkout process, and then go through
> > > > > checkout once. You're saying that the 2 minutes it takes to go
> > > > > through the checkout process is too much work?
> > > > >
> > > > > "Like I said in my original post, I am paying for the names." -
> > > > > So you're paying. That means nothing.
> > > > >
> > > > > "There's no bad intent." - squatting or link farms is bad
> > > > > intent. I find it extremely difficult to conceive of any
> > > > > legitimate circumstance that would warrant the registration of
> > > > > 10 domain names PER DAY. That's $100 per day in expenses. How
> > > > > many domains are you planning on registering? What are you
> > > > > going to do with all these domains?
> > > > >
> > > > > You asked what is suspicious? Well, the fact that you want
> > > > > automated and cheap is suspicious. There are reasons that the
> > > > > registrars want to be sure that REAL PEOPLE are registering
> > > > > domains. People who want to bypass those constraints rarely have
> > > > > legitimate, honest reasons for doing so.
> > > >
> > > > Who the hell are you to decide I don't need 10 domain names per
> > > > day and that paying for them means nothing? Is there a limit set
> > > > by any organization? No there aren't. If I am paying for them, I
> > > > have the right to pay for one a year or 10 a day.
> > >
> > > Of course you have the right to register 10 domain names a day. If
> > > you can afford it, you could even register 100 domain names a day.
> > > The question remains, why would you need to?
> >
> > Web hosting.
> >
> > >
> > > > There's nothing wrong for using a script to automate a process as
> > > > long as I am paying for them. eBay has an api. Amazon has an api
> > > > and thousands of online services provide.
> > >
> > > You're basically comparing apples and oranges here; just being an
> > > online retailer of any kind doesn't require you to provide an API.
> > > eBay has an API for their sellers, or for the development of seller
> > > tools. Amazon has an API for their sellers (affiliates) and their
> > > existing customers (storage/hosting).
> >
> > I didn't say it's required. APIs are an aid. Maybe I didn't give good
> > examples. How about yelp.com and Google maps? These are not retailers.
> >
> > >
> > > Similarily, registrars such as GoDaddy has an API for some of their
> > > resellers via their WildWestDomains subsidiary. Their API reseller
> > > plan costs $249 per year, but considering you'll already be
> > > registering 10 domains a day, that would be a minor cost.
> > >
> > > Other registrars have similar APIs, but again, only availble for
> > > their resellers.
> >
> > I am not a reseller. Why do you have to be a reseller to be able to
> > use APIs?
> >
> > >
> > > > You're a turd to take the stance of guilty until proven innocent
> > > > and telling me the longest part is finding a name as if I am
> > > > registering any name or I don't know a thing about the process.
> > > > It's none of your business what I plan to do with the names. Take
> > > > a hike.
> > >
> > > As others have pointed out, the fact that you're planning on
> > > ordering that many domain names PER DAY, is suspicious. The
> > > frequently observed uses for that many domain names are considered
> > > illegitimate, and your refusal to disclose any details (or even a
> > > hint) only makes you seem more suspicious.
> >
> > It's for web hosting.
>
> Fair enough, although I don't see the point.
>
> Anywho, the answer is "yes" if you want to automate domain
> registrations and/or use an API for this, you should become a domain
> reseller.
>
> Yes, eBay, Amazon and Goggle Maps do provide an API for free, but they
> still require you to register yourself as a developer.
>
> Although you keep on saying you don't want to become a reseller,
> there's no big rule that you have to use the API towards a public
> service. AFAIK, you can just as well use the reseller API in an
> internal shop, ie. a shop where you're the only "customer" who has
> access and/or remake the order process as you see fit. Depending on
> your programming skills, you get a lot of freedom there.

The point is to register the domain names for others. Some people know
zelch about why and how to do it.

I don't want to be a reseller. I am not reselling domain names. This means
one has to pay hundreds of dollars for absolutely no profit. My intention
is not to use the process to make a profit. I am just helping others.

I understand how API's work. I don't mind passing a username and password.
That's not a problem.

John Dalberg
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John Dalberg wrote:

> Kim_André_Akerø <kimandre RemoveThis @NOSPAMbetadome.com> wrote:
> >
> > [snip, big time]
>
> The point is to register the domain names for others. Some people know
> zelch about why and how to do it.

That's a completely legitimate reason, as I see it, and even a
good-natured one. (If you made that point earlier on, though, we
wouldn't have had this long list of accusations.)

> I don't want to be a reseller. I am not reselling domain names. This
> means one has to pay hundreds of dollars for absolutely no profit. My
> intention is not to use the process to make a profit. I am just
> helping others.
>
> I understand how API's work. I don't mind passing a username and
> password. That's not a problem.

I just recalled another reseller service that has way lower fees (ie.
none - just a deposit which is deducted from when you sell domains):
http://www.irrp.net/

You pay a certain price per domain per year, then you can charge your
customers the price you want (even the same price you pay for it, since
you obviously don't want to make a profit).

--
Kim André Akerø
- kimandre RemoveThis @NOSPAMbetadome.com
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Tony <nospam.RemoveThis@example.com> wrote:
> John Dalberg wrote:
> >
> > I have explained to idiots like you
>
> Yeah, the regulars in this group are the idiots. Got it.
>
> > have unverifiable suspicions that one
> > doesn't need to use domain names to spam.
>
> What about squatting or link farming? I notice you STILL haven't
> addressed that. You seem pretty stuck on spam.

What's your question exactly about link farming? If you explain your point
in a better way, I can answer you.

>
> I'm curious as to why you're still trying to argue it. Are you trying to
> convince US? (If so, you are definitely going about it in the wrong
> way). Or are you trying to convince yourself?
>
> > You NEVER explained what
> > all this suspicions is based on. Just the matter of mentioning
> > 'script', you automatically become shitless suspicious.
>
> One last time: You want to automate an already simple process to
> register an abnormally large number of domain names. For some reason,
> you seem to equate "suspicious" with "you're a freakin' scammer".

Up to 10 domain names a day is not abnormally large number of domain names.
There are people who register hundreds every day. What is simple about a
manual process that's repeated several times a day? You need to explain
what you're suspicious about instead of just telling me "I am suspicious".


> I've been the subject of inaccurate suspicions before. Rather than
> hollering about it and getting defensive, I have responded with a clear
> explanation of my intentions.

Because you keep bringing up points.. spam.. then link farms as if you have
the answer and you're holding off till you're convinced my intentions are
going to satisfy you. You obviously don't have the answer. You're just
wasting my time but I'll take the time to convince you that you ideas have
no substance.

If you think I need a script to create link farms, your idea holds no
water. In this case, I can bulk register (a legit feature offered by some
registrars) hundreds of domain names in one single swoop.

I am asking you one more time.. What are your suspicious of me using a
script?

> I seem to have missed that. What was the reason again?

A script is used to automate a manual process. I thought that's clear to
most people. If you're going to ask why I don't do it manually. It's
because it's a boring repetitive process. If I can save time to do
anything, why shouldn't I? Why is this hard for folks like you to
understand? If you're going to say I will use it to spam, I will say I
don't need a domain name to spam. If you're going to say "Yes you do", I
will say you're not savvy and I will say I can then just register names
manually and spam or bulk register and spam. If you're going to say I am
going to use the script to create link farms, I will say I can bulk
register hundreds manually. Copy and paste the list of names in the textbox
at the registrar and enter some info and boom.. I have them.

This is like my third time I am explaining this. In the end, I am trying
to explain something to you just for the same to help your mind because in
the end you don't even have the answer to my question. If you still don't
understand what I am saying then read all my posts slowly and several times
till you get it.

John Dalberg
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