 |
|
|
|
Related Topics:
| Starting Web design course and hopefully new career - Advi.. - Hi I am current working in IT as a system for a community org. I have just started a Diploma of IT and Web Desin course at TAFE. I will be learning HTML, and imaging. What I would like opinions on is;..
Website Design India - Web Design India Hyderabad - Web De.. - Vision Infosys Offers Web Design and Services: Website Design Web Web Marketing and Internet Marketing in India Hyderabad Hyderabad web design Search Engine search engine SEO tools, search engine..
Starting out - looking for help - I've got some succesful sites running so I'm good at that. My next project is to put a shopping basket up. I'm not sure how to do this. Basically the plan is: put up of photos User selects the
Starting a web company - Hi guyz, Im plannin to startup a internet do i plan and market.. Thanz
starting a web business - Hello All, I would like to start a web design business, and wanted to know if you all had any advice? Also, where can I get about: 1. contracts - what should I guarantee them in return for their fee? 2. pricing - how much? what's the..
|
|
|
Next: Webmaster: Website Security - Preventing Users storing their login de..
|
| Author |
Message |
External
Since: Jan 24, 2004
Posts: 492
|
(Msg. 46) Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:51 pm
Post subject: Re: Starting Web design [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: alt>www>webmaster (more info?)
|
|
|
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 | |
External
Since: Jan 24, 2004
Posts: 492
|
(Msg. 47) Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:05 pm
Post subject: Re: Starting Web design [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
Tony wrote:
>> But there isn't anything of interest to hack into.
>
> Hmm - banks, billing, don't know that I'd agree
It doesn't look like he is collecting any information that would be any
use to a hacker.
> You mean other than the password to get to the cart: 5*f1xt2r3s -
> which I have no qualms about posting here, given that (a) the cart is
> directly accessible anyways, and (b) the password is in the source
> code for the page.
Not that you need to know the password. You can just go directly to the
"secure" page. The URL is in the source in the login page. The order
form itself is not secured.
> Or the fact that the "login" form doesn't work in Firefox?
You can easily work around that. Just do a View Source to get the URL of
the order form.
> Or the fact that the script is completely transparent and easily
> hacked?
Something I suspect the OP doesn't understand. I also think he doesn't
understand how easy it would be to adjust the pricing so that you are
buying the signage for much less than the actual price.
The OP needs to understand that it isn't necessary to use his forms to
order signage from his site. I can send orders into his site from my
local machine, and he would never know the difference. I can send an
order that doesn't have the required fields filled in, and has my own
prices or the wrong total cost.
> (I'm sure it's none of the above - those are too obvious and in & of
> themselves aren't dangerous)
Only because the actual billing info isn't being collected via the site.
> You guys will lose a LOT more than $6000 if you continue along your
> current path.
Agreed.
I'm beginning to think you are right. They are liable to lose the US
Bank account altogether. |
|
| Back to top |
|
| |
External
Since: Jul 14, 2003
Posts: 1507
|
(Msg. 48) Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:13 pm
Post subject: Re: Starting Web design [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
Scott wrote:
> "John Bokma" <john DeleteThis @castleamber.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9A4474741A841castleamber@130.133.1.4...
>> "Scott" <altglyphics DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "John Bokma" <john DeleteThis @castleamber.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Xns9A446AA16291Bcastleamber@130.133.1.4...
>>>> "Scott" <altglyphics DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I was think that I should have my boss purchase the Adobe Suite.
>>>>> I am very familiar with photoshop and illustrator, so I thought maybe
>>>>> their other products would work in similar fashion.
>>>> Your boss should hire someone instead of buying software 
>>> And hiring our web host, would cost 6000 dollars.
>>> This company itself can not handle that kind of cost.
>> Time is money. Your boss should consider it an investment, just like
>> buying software to do a job. Having someone do it with zero experience is
>> bound to fail many times, and in the end might cost more. Especially
>> taking into account that while you're working on it, you can't work on
>> your normal job.
>>
>> BTW, if you (or your boss) shops around you might find someone who could
>> do it for about 3000 dollars or less.
>>
>> --
>> John Bokma http://johnbokma.com/
>
> John, you're killing me! 
> I am the graphics guy and the web will become part of my job.
> So where should I start to grasp this the whole thing?
>
>
>
Scott,
The classes you would need from a company like mine would cost you at
least $6,000.
Listen to the others. What you're trying to do is NOT trivial. It
takes experience to get it right.
And meanwhile, until you do, you'll be losing sales.
--
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex DeleteThis @attglobal.net
================== >> Stay informed about: Starting Web design |
|
| Back to top |
|
| |
External
Since: Jul 14, 2003
Posts: 1507
|
(Msg. 49) Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:20 pm
Post subject: Re: Starting Web design [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
Scott wrote:
> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous RemoveThis @example.invalid> wrote in message
> news:Jg_sj.224863$MJ6.135036@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> Scott wrote:
>>
>>> I was think that I should have my boss purchase the Adobe Suite.
>> Oh. Please. No.
>>
>> Doing so will not help you.
>>
>> --
>> -bts
>> -Friends don't let friends drive Vista
>
> LOL, I read this and the "tone of voice" was hilarious.
> Anyway guys, I'm not a moron.
>
I don't think anyone here considers you a moron - at least not unless
you keep insisting on software to do the job for you.
> I just want some advice on software's that may be able to help my situation.
> (please don't say: "notepad")
> There has to be a "most popular" product that I could use to get the things
> I need accomplished.
> I mean, the guy who created this generic site was a moron. lol... he got
> further than I have, so far. "oh...*sigh*"
>
> - Scott
>
>
>
That's like asking Rembrandt what he uses to create his paintings. Web
site design and programming is an artistic process - and there is no
"magic bullet" to do the job for you.
The best tool you have is Brain 1.0. And use a text editor to type in
your stuff. And yes, Notepad is just as capable as others. I
personally use Crimson editor, but it doesn't do the work for me - it
just helps with some of the syntax.
--
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex RemoveThis @attglobal.net
================== >> Stay informed about: Starting Web design |
|
| Back to top |
|
| |
External
Since: Jul 14, 2003
Posts: 1507
|
(Msg. 50) Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:22 pm
Post subject: Re: Starting Web design [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
Scott wrote:
> "Toby A Inkster" <usenet200801.DeleteThis@tobyinkster.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:2m6e85-666.ln1@ophelia.g5n.co.uk...
>> Scott wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, and happy VD day...
>> Hi, I'm just going to pop down to the ATM machine to enter my PIN number.
>>
>>> What I need the web site to do is:
>>>
>>> - basic home page
>>> -- login in w/ password (possible register / I'm not sure how that
>>> works... cookies?)
>>> --- products page (200 items)
>>> ---- order page
>> While I'd be happy to advise and give pointers for even a beginner to
>> write a simple dynamic site with registrations, logins and password-
>> protected areas, writing a secure checkout system is a whole different
>> ball game.
>>
>> Either hire someone with at least five years' experience writing similar
>> systems, or use a third-party checkout service. I'm pretty sure that
>> Paypal has one; Google too.
>>
>> --
>> Toby A Inkster BSc (Hons) ARCS
>> [Geek of HTML/SQL/Perl/PHP/Python/Apache/Linux]
>> [OS: Linux 2.6.17.14-mm-desktop-9mdvsmp, up 15 days, 22:38.]
>>
>> Mince & Dumplings
>> http://tobyinkster.co.uk/blog/2008/02/10/mince-dumplings/
>
>
> We used to take all these orders by FAX.
> We want to get away from the fax and have them fill it out on the web.
>
> There is no billing information ever transferred on the site.
> We only need them to fill out the form (what they want)
> Then have it sent to us, using formmail code. (I already have this much)
> Since there is no real security issues of billing info, I just need the
> person to fill in the form and send it.
> Maybe a form with 200 items and a quantity selector (not sure) I have not
> seen many samples yet.
>
> - Scott
>
>
>
Just because people aren't entering credit card numbers doesn't mean
there are no security issues.
--
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex.DeleteThis@attglobal.net
================== >> Stay informed about: Starting Web design |
|
| Back to top |
|
| |
External
Since: Jul 14, 2003
Posts: 1507
|
(Msg. 51) Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:28 pm
Post subject: Re: Starting Web design [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
John Bokma wrote:
> Blinky the Shark <no.spam DeleteThis @box.invalid> wrote:
>
>> John Bokma wrote:
>>
>>> Rob Waaijenberg <robwaaijenberg DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> go hire someone who knows what she's doing.
>>> Damn, does that mean I have to shave my legs, wear a dress, and talk
>>> with a high pitched voice again? There are limits to customer
>>> satisfaction, you know?
>> Oh, come on. You didn't mind last time...
>
> I was young and innocent back then.
>
So now you're old and innocent, John?
--
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex DeleteThis @attglobal.net
================== >> Stay informed about: Starting Web design |
|
| Back to top |
|
| |
External
Since: Nov 07, 2003
Posts: 366
|
(Msg. 52) Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:00 pm
Post subject: Re: Starting Web design [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
(Matt Probert) wrote:
> Scott Bryce <sbryce.DeleteThis@scottbryce.com> wrote:
>> A good Formmail script can be found at
>> http://nms-cgi.sourceforge.net/scripts.shtml
>>
>> If you don't understand web security, please don't write one
>> yourself.
>
> Or even use one!
>
> How many copies of "Matt's" (no relation) formmail script are in use
> as open relays?
All of them.
--
-bts
-Friends don't let friends drive Vista >> Stay informed about: Starting Web design |
|
| Back to top |
|
| |
External
Since: Jul 02, 2003
Posts: 692
|
(Msg. 53) Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:01 pm
Post subject: Re: Starting Web design [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
Scott Bryce wrote:
> Tony wrote:
>> With all this discussion, and with the site being posted on the
>> thread (and now on Google Groups), it would surprise me if they
>> haven't already been hacked.
>
>
> Currently the security on the site is about as strong as leaving your
> key in the front door and a sign hanging on the doorknob telling which
> windows have been left open.
>
> But there isn't anything of interest to hack into.
>
> The site owner is a printer who does signage for US Bank. The system the
> OP wants is to allow each branch to order its own signage.
>
> I'm taking another look at the site. It looks like the OP is attempting
> to create a JavaScript shopping cart. This isn't good. He is using
> frames to maintain data from one page to another. This would be a
> hacker's dream come true, if there was anything of value to be obtained
> from the site...
>
> ... But there is. I don't know if I should mention what I just found,
> but the OP will want to take this site down NOW!!
No, the OP will want to press on, regardless of the the promises that
that's really not viable from, I believe, *every* person here who has
advised him.
--
Blinky
Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org
Blinky: http://blinkynet.net >> Stay informed about: Starting Web design |
|
| Back to top |
|
| |
External
Since: Jul 02, 2003
Posts: 692
|
(Msg. 54) Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:06 pm
Post subject: Re: Starting Web design [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
Tony wrote:
> Scott Bryce wrote:
>> Tony wrote:
>>> With all this discussion, and with the site being posted on the
>>> thread (and now on Google Groups), it would surprise me if they
>>> haven't already been hacked.
>>
>> Currently the security on the site is about as strong as leaving your
>> key in the front door and a sign hanging on the doorknob telling which
>> windows have been left open.
>
> I'd say it's more like leaving your front door wide open and putting a
> sign out front advertising the fact, while you're gone on a 3-week vacation.
This is about a MS product, but it's still relevant.
http://blinkynet.net/stuff/comp/winwall.jpg
--
Blinky
Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org
Blinky: http://blinkynet.net >> Stay informed about: Starting Web design |
|
| Back to top |
|
| |
External
Since: Jan 24, 2004
Posts: 492
|
(Msg. 55) Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:11 pm
Post subject: Re: Starting Web design [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
Blinky the Shark wrote:
> No, the OP will want to press on, regardless of the the promises that
> that's really not viable from, I believe, *every* person here who
> has advised him.
He seems determined, but he did say he would look for our honest thoughts.
I hope he comes back and reads the comments and takes them seriously. If
the site is on a shared host, it could be TOSed unless he makes a
significant change. (I wrote that for him, not you.) >> Stay informed about: Starting Web design |
|
| Back to top |
|
| |
External
Since: Jul 02, 2003
Posts: 692
|
(Msg. 56) Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:11 pm
Post subject: Re: Starting Web design [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
Scott Bryce wrote:
> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>> No, the OP will want to press on, regardless of the the promises that
>> that's really not viable from, I believe, *every* person here who
>> has advised him.
>
> He seems determined, but he did say he would look for our honest thoughts.
>
> I hope he comes back and reads the comments and takes them seriously. If
> the site is on a shared host, it could be TOSed unless he makes a
> significant change. (I wrote that for him, not you.)
I suspect he's done here until he runs into the first unsurmountable
wall that he finally recognizes as such; i.e., I'll bet he's not going to
be reading this thread any more. He seems to have dropped out of it, not
getting answers that he wanted.
--
Blinky
Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org
Blinky: http://blinkynet.net >> Stay informed about: Starting Web design |
|
| Back to top |
|
| |
External
Since: Nov 07, 2003
Posts: 366
|
(Msg. 57) Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 1:19 am
Post subject: Re: Starting Web design [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
Scott Bryce wrote:
> ... But there is. I don't know if I should mention what I just found,
> but the OP will want to take this site down NOW!!
?
FormMail V1.92 © 1995 - 2002 Matt Wright
A Free Product of Matt's Script Archive, Inc.
--
-bts
-Friends don't let friends drive Vista >> Stay informed about: Starting Web design |
|
| Back to top |
|
| |
External
Since: Nov 15, 2007
Posts: 99
|
(Msg. 58) Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 1:19 am
Post subject: Re: Starting Web design [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> Scott Bryce wrote:
>
>> ... But there is. I don't know if I should mention what I just found,
>> but the OP will want to take this site down NOW!!
>
> ?
>
> FormMail V1.92 © 1995 - 2002 Matt Wright
> A Free Product of Matt's Script Archive, Inc.
>
lol >> Stay informed about: Starting Web design |
|
| Back to top |
|
| |
External
Since: Jan 24, 2004
Posts: 492
|
(Msg. 59) Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 1:19 am
Post subject: Re: Starting Web design [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> ?
>
> FormMail V1.92 © 1995 - 2002 Matt Wright
> A Free Product of Matt's Script Archive, Inc.
That's it.
Can you say, "open relay?" Sure, I knew you could.
The OP is in over his head. WAY over his head. >> Stay informed about: Starting Web design |
|
| Back to top |
|
| |
External
Since: Sep 15, 2007
Posts: 21
|
(Msg. 60) Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:02 am
Post subject: Re: Starting Web design [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:02:41 -0700, Scott Bryce writ:
> On your View Products page, the images should be thumbnails, not full
> sized images reduced in size by the browser.
Furthermore, the products themselves are unspiderable 50-70 KB images that
would be trivial to duplicate with markup.
Here's my favorite so far:
http://www.glyphicsgraphics.com/HTML/gif57.HTML
Even zoomed to 200% it's unreadable. The OP isn't kidding when he says the
guy who did this was a total moron.
--
"Because all you of Earth are idiots!"
¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·-> freemont© <-·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯ >> Stay informed about: Starting Web design |
|
| Back to top |
|
| |
|
|
You can post new topics in this forum
You can reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
FAQ
Search
Profile
Private Messages
Log in/Register/Password
