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Fred Atkinson wrote:
> I enclose the script that generates the data inside the TNR
> font. That way, the script always displays it correctly.
>
> The rest of the page uses the font selected by the browser.
>

By the way, if you had not messed with the font, and used a zero for the
zeros; *my* browser would have displayed a slashed 0. (I'm kind of picky
about that).

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Dave scribed:

>Fred Atkinson wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:39:20 -0600, Bergamot <bergamot.RemoveThis@visi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Characters are used improperly all the time. I use «angle brackets» for
>>> arrows on occasion myself. I think the OP should know that particular
>>> character isn't what he thinks it is and if there is in fact a slashed
>>> zero in Unicode, that's what he should be using instead.
>>
>> Nothing personal, Bergamot,
>>
>> But unless you are a ham radio operator, you couldn't
>> understand the importance of this.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>
>As a Ham (if my callsign ad a zero in it), I think it would be more
>important to be able to find it on that page by searching for ab0cd. If it
>hadn't been brought up earlier in the thread, I'd have no idea how to search
>for abØcd.

I'm glad I'm a '6' and not a 'ø.'
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Dave wrote:

> As a Ham (if my callsign ad a zero in it), I think it would be more
> important to be able to find it on that page by searching for ab0cd.
> If it hadn't been brought up earlier in the thread, I'd have no idea
> how to search for abØcd.

*Excellent* point, Dave. !!

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Dave wrote:
> Fred Atkinson wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:39:20 -0600, Bergamot <bergamot RemoveThis @visi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think the OP should know that particular
>>> character isn't what he thinks it is and if there is in fact a slashed
>>> zero in Unicode, that's what he should be using instead.
>>
>> But unless you are a ham radio operator, you couldn't
>> understand the importance of this.
>
> As a Ham (if my callsign ad a zero in it), I think it would be more
> important to be able to find it on that page by searching for ab0cd.

That is indeed one of the issues using an incorrect character.

> If it
> hadn't been brought up earlier in the thread, I'd have no idea how to search
> for abØcd.

You wouldn't have known that's what you should be looking for *instead*
of a zero, either.

If the OP in interested, here's an idea for him to ponder:
http://www.bergamotus.ws/samples/slashed-zero.html

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Bergamot wrote:

> The Ø or Ø or Ø character is a letter, not a number: LATIN
> CAPITAL LETTER O WITH STROKE

Indeed. For a slashed numeral zero, try:

0&#x0338;

Not sure how well that is supported across different browsers, but it
works in mine.

For those who don't know, unicode character 0338 is the "combining long
solidus overlay" -- that is, a slash that overlays whichever character
preceded it. You can use it to overlay a slash on any other character. e.g.

2&#x0338; (slashed 2)
&#x2640;&#x0338; (no girls allowed!)

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On 11 Feb, 23:29, Bergamot <berga....RemoveThis@visi.com> wrote:

> Sorry, but a letter doesn't become a number just because you want it to.

Tell the OP that. Jerry is quite right here - the OP wants "slashed
zero, the digit" and they're stretching the visual appearance of the
glyph "Letter O with stroke" to simulate one.

Now if Unicode does include a genuine "slashed zero" character, then
it's hiding somewhere I can't see it. I'm sure there is one somewhere.
Jukka?
&#x2205; "Empty set" seems about the nearest I can see.


Of course, they could always use a "/" on its own (Baudot FIGS 30)
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On 12 Feb, 01:10, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck....TakeThisOut@attglobal.net> wrote:

> And Blinky, there is a LONG history with hams and the slash-zero. It
> long predates [...] computers in general.

No it doesn't. It's derived _from_ computers and telegraphy. It does
predate ASCII, but hams adopted it from computing. Specifically, from
Bletchley Park
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On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 03:34:14 -0800 (PST), Andy Dingley
<dingbat.DeleteThis@codesmiths.com> wrote:

>On 12 Feb, 01:10, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck....DeleteThis@attglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> And Blinky, there is a LONG history with hams and the slash-zero. It
>> long predates [...] computers in general.
>
>No it doesn't. It's derived _from_ computers and telegraphy. It does
>predate ASCII, but hams adopted it from computing. Specifically, from
>Bletchley Park

So that means it can't have a long history with ham radio
operators? Hams have been using it for many, many years.

Somehow I don't understand your thinking.

73,



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Andy Dingley wrote:
> On 12 Feb, 01:10, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck... DeleteThis @attglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> And Blinky, there is a LONG history with hams and the slash-zero. It
>> long predates [...] computers in general.
>
> No it doesn't. It's derived _from_ computers and telegraphy. It does
> predate ASCII, but hams adopted it from computing. Specifically, from
> Bletchley Park
>

Andy,

Actually, hams were using it in the 20's and 30's - long before
Bletchley Park. See if you can find some ARRL publications from that
era, for instance (QST, etc).

I don't know if it was used by telegraphers before that, but I suspect
it might have been.

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Jerry Stuckle wrote:

> Andy Dingley wrote:
>> On 12 Feb, 01:10, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck... RemoveThis @attglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> And Blinky, there is a LONG history with hams and the slash-zero. It
>>> long predates [...] computers in general.
>>
>> No it doesn't. It's derived _from_ computers and telegraphy. It does
>> predate ASCII, but hams adopted it from computing. Specifically, from
>> Bletchley Park
>>
>>
> Andy,
>
> Actually, hams were using it in the 20's and 30's - long before
> Bletchley Park. See if you can find some ARRL publications from that
> era, for instance (QST, etc).
>
> I don't know if it was used by telegraphers before that, but I suspect
> it might have been.

Haven't yet found evidence of that, but I did find this from 1907:

http://www.ns1763.ca/radio30/marconiwireless19071017.jpg

"Transatlantic wireless telegraph service opened for business Telegram
from Lord Avebury to the New York Times, 17 Oct 1907 Transmitted from
Ireland across the Atlantic Ocean by Marconi Wireless Telegraph to Glace
Bay, Nova Scotia, and from there to New York by Western Union landline by
electricity, then printed on paper (above) and delivered to the Times
newspaper" - http://www.ns1763.ca/radio30/radio-first-30yrs.html

Two of two zeros unslashed.

I'm still looking, because it's an interesting question. Gotta run some
errands; will continue this quest when I get back...


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Toby A Inkster wrote:
> Bergamot wrote:
>
>> The Ø or Ø or Ø character is a letter, not a number: LATIN
>> CAPITAL LETTER O WITH STROKE
>
> Indeed. For a slashed numeral zero, try:
>
> 0&#x0338;
>
> Not sure how well that is supported across different browsers, but it
> works in mine.

IE doesn't seem to like it. Too bad - it would otherwise be the right
solution, I think.

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Bergamot wrote:

> Toby A Inkster wrote:
>> Bergamot wrote:
>>> The Ø or Ø or Ø character is a letter, not a number:
>>> LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O WITH STROKE
>>
>> Indeed. For a slashed numeral zero, try:
>>
>> 0&#x0338;
>>
>> Not sure how well that is supported across different browsers, but
>> it works in mine.
>
> IE doesn't seem to like it. Too bad - it would otherwise be the right
> solution, I think.

For looks, yes, it seems to work in all but IE (what else is new?). But
the point Dave raised, "I'd have no idea how to search for abØcd.",
using 0&#x0338; still does not allow searches for "AB0CD".

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Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>
> using 0&#x0338; still does not allow searches for "AB0CD".

Then maybe the suggestion I posted using background images is better
after all.
http://www.bergamotus.ws/samples/slashed-zero.html

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