Wins/losses of indiv IP# per site

the google thing.
it is just rumors.
i talked to the swedish google division about that.
they said that is NOT true.
they dont care about the ip.
if you got a good site on a shared hosting
and a litle bit less good site on a dedicated ip.
then the shared hosting site would be nr1.

and about the dedicated ip..
when with a shared hosting company you might have different ip´s
then your other sites..
BUT your ip is MOST defenetly shared with other sites on that server you are
on!
like this..
server 1:
yourdomain1.com
someone-elses-domain.com
another-someones-domain.com

server 2:
yourdomain2.com
someone-elses-domain.com
another-someones-domain.com

thats how it works.
i sell shared hosting myself.
and all hosts do it this way.
you can with some hosts get a dedicated ip that ONLY you use.
but that cost extra usualy!

"William Tasso" <SpamBlocked DeleteThis @tbdata.com> skrev i meddelandet
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 > Rock wrote:
  > > ...
  > > I have been used to having a different IP number for each of my sites
  > > as they have been bought seperately at different times and have
  > > nothing to do with each other except with the same shared hoster.
  > >
  > > I see know that some hosts now offer services that can host several
  > > sites via the same panel etc, but each site you add uses the same IP
  > > number as the initial purchase.
  > >
  > > What are the pro's and cons here?
 >
 > There are no technical issues worthy of note.
 >
 > Do the sites support each other wrt linking strategies? There is much
 > rumour/speculation/gossip (but no satisfactory[1] proof ) that google
gives
 > less weight to incoming links from the same ip-address. A simple
extention
 > to that algo would reveal that all IPs used belong to the same netblock
 > owner - a strategy that would cause much instability for no real gain.
 >
 > [1] anyone?
 > --
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 >
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"Dennis Holm" <dennisholm RemoveThis @telia.com> wrote in message news:<iWhHb.43814$dP1.173470@newsc.telia.net>...
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 > "William Tasso" <SpamBlocked RemoveThis @tbdata.com> skrev i meddelandet
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  > > Rock wrote:
   > > > ...
   > > > I have been used to having a different IP number for each of my sites
   > > > as they have been bought seperately at different times and have
   > > > nothing to do with each other except with the same shared hoster.
   > > >
   > > > I see know that some hosts now offer services that can host several
   > > > sites via the same panel etc, but each site you add uses the same IP
   > > > number as the initial purchase.
   > > >
   > > > What are the pro's and cons here?
  > >
  > > There are no technical issues worthy of note.
  > >
  > > Do the sites support each other wrt linking strategies? There is much
  > > rumour/speculation/gossip (but no satisfactory[1] proof ) that google
 > gives
  > > less weight to incoming links from the same ip-address. A simple
 > extention
  > > to that algo would reveal that all IPs used belong to the same netblock
  > > owner - a strategy that would cause much instability for no real gain.
  > >
  > > [1] anyone?
  > > --
<font color=green>  > > William Tasso - <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://WilliamTasso.com</font" target="_blank">http://WilliamTasso.com</font</a>>
  > >
  > >
 > the google thing.
 > it is just rumors.
 > i talked to the swedish google division about that.
 > they said that is NOT true.
 > they dont care about the ip.
 > if you got a good site on a shared hosting
 > and a litle bit less good site on a dedicated ip.
 > then the shared hosting site would be nr1.
 >
 > and about the dedicated ip..
 > when with a shared hosting company you might have different ip´s
 > then your other sites..
 > BUT your ip is MOST defenetly shared with other sites on that server you are
 > on!
 > like this..
 > server 1:
 > yourdomain1.com
 > someone-elses-domain.com
 > another-someones-domain.com
 >
 > server 2:
 > yourdomain2.com
 > someone-elses-domain.com
 > another-someones-domain.com
 >
 > thats how it works.
 > i sell shared hosting myself.
 > and all hosts do it this way.

What? Perhaps I don't understand you correctly - are you saying that
some hosts give a customer an IP and tell them this is a dedicated IP
and then use it on other sites/servers?

1. you can't have the IP on 2 different servers - they would have to
be on the same network device.
2. we (Web Your Business / AAA Business Hosting) have ALWAYS offered
dedicated IP hosting - no dedicated IP account will SHARE it's IP with
another client - we GUARANTEE it.

We run up to 100 IPs on a server and close the server - that's because
the servers don't handle large numbers of IPs well - please don't
apply YOUR business model to other hosting companies - we obviously
have a different way of handing out IPs, although both our
"Affordable" and "Budget" accounts are NOT dedicated IP addresses -
they each have other domains on the same IP... which is NORMAL for
shared hosting. Our dedicated IP hosting is still on a "shared
server" - but each client on the shared server will DEFINITELY get
their own IP address, and no-one - I repeat - NO-ONE will have that IP
except their domain.

regards

Greg Hewitt-Long
--
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.aaabusinesshosting" target="_blank">http://www.aaabusinesshosting</a> .com - PROPER dedicated IP hosting...
none of this hocus pocus rubbish touted by the scandinavians here...

 > you can with some hosts get a dedicated ip that ONLY you use.
 > but that cost extra usualy!
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 > "William Tasso" <SpamBlocked RemoveThis @tbdata.com> skrev i meddelandet
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  > > Rock wrote:
   > > > ...
   > > > I have been used to having a different IP number for each of my sites
   > > > as they have been bought seperately at different times and have
   > > > nothing to do with each other except with the same shared hoster.
   > > >
   > > > I see know that some hosts now offer services that can host several
   > > > sites via the same panel etc, but each site you add uses the same IP
   > > > number as the initial purchase.
   > > >
   > > > What are the pro's and cons here?
  > >
  > > There are no technical issues worthy of note.
  > >
  > > Do the sites support each other wrt linking strategies? There is much
  > > rumour/speculation/gossip (but no satisfactory[1] proof ) that google
 > gives
  > > less weight to incoming links from the same ip-address. A simple
 > extention
  > > to that algo would reveal that all IPs used belong to the same netblock
  > > owner - a strategy that would cause much instability for no real gain.
  > >
  > > [1] anyone?
  > > --
<font color=green>  > > William Tasso - <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://WilliamTasso.com</font" target="_blank">http://WilliamTasso.com</font</a>>
  > >
  > >
 > the google thing.
 > it is just rumors.
 > i talked to the swedish google division about that.
 > they said that is NOT true.
 > they dont care about the ip.
 > if you got a good site on a shared hosting
 > and a litle bit less good site on a dedicated ip.
 > then the shared hosting site would be nr1.

I don't think anyone from within ANY division of Google.com will tell
you the "truth" about this - they are CONSTANTLY on the lookout for
links farms - which OFTEN use a shared IP.

No-one would setup 1,000 domains on a shared IP and point them to one
site without it ringing alarm bells at the Google end... that's the
point I think people are trying to get to the bottom of. If you have
many IPs, you might get away with fudging the algorithm for longer,
but who knows where the trips and safeties to detect link farm spam
are set? You? No... you don't even appear to comprehend dedicated IP
hosting properly...

Greg



 >
 > and about the dedicated ip..
 > when with a shared hosting company you might have different ip´s
 > then your other sites..
 > BUT your ip is MOST defenetly shared with other sites on that server you are
 > on!
 > like this..
 > server 1:
 > yourdomain1.com
 > someone-elses-domain.com
 > another-someones-domain.com
 >
 > server 2:
 > yourdomain2.com
 > someone-elses-domain.com
 > another-someones-domain.com
 >
 > thats how it works.
 > i sell shared hosting myself.
 > and all hosts do it this way.
 > you can with some hosts get a dedicated ip that ONLY you use.
 > but that cost extra usualy!
 >
see me other post about the dedicated IP hosting issue....<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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While sitting in a puddle Dennis Holm scribbled in the mud:


 > i talked to the swedish google division about that.
 > they said that is NOT true.
 >
I don't care what they said. I just want the Swedish Bikini Team back!



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"Greg Hewitt-Long" <newsposting0209.DeleteThis@webyourbusiness.com> skrev i meddelandet
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 > "Dennis Holm" <dennisholm.DeleteThis@telia.com> wrote in message
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 > [top posting fixed]
  > > "William Tasso" <SpamBlocked.DeleteThis@tbdata.com> skrev i meddelandet
  > > news:bsjpbe$df12s$1@ID-139074.news.uni-berlin.de...
   > > > Rock wrote:
   > > > > ...
   > > > > I have been used to having a different IP number for each of my
sites
   > > > > as they have been bought seperately at different times and have
   > > > > nothing to do with each other except with the same shared hoster.
   > > > >
   > > > > I see know that some hosts now offer services that can host several
   > > > > sites via the same panel etc, but each site you add uses the same IP
   > > > > number as the initial purchase.
   > > > >
   > > > > What are the pro's and cons here?
   > > >
   > > > There are no technical issues worthy of note.
   > > >
   > > > Do the sites support each other wrt linking strategies? There is much
   > > > rumour/speculation/gossip (but no satisfactory[1] proof ) that google
  > > gives
   > > > less weight to incoming links from the same ip-address. A simple
  > > extention
   > > > to that algo would reveal that all IPs used belong to the same
netblock
   > > > owner - a strategy that would cause much instability for no real gain.
   > > >
   > > > [1] anyone?
   > > > --
<font color=brown>   > > > William Tasso - <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://WilliamTasso.com</font" target="_blank">http://WilliamTasso.com</font</a>>
   > > >
   > > >
  > > the google thing.
  > > it is just rumors.
  > > i talked to the swedish google division about that.
  > > they said that is NOT true.
  > > they dont care about the ip.
  > > if you got a good site on a shared hosting
  > > and a litle bit less good site on a dedicated ip.
  > > then the shared hosting site would be nr1.
  > >
  > > and about the dedicated ip..
  > > when with a shared hosting company you might have different ip´s
  > > then your other sites..
  > > BUT your ip is MOST defenetly shared with other sites on that server you
are
  > > on!
  > > like this..
  > > server 1:
  > > yourdomain1.com
  > > someone-elses-domain.com
  > > another-someones-domain.com
  > >
  > > server 2:
  > > yourdomain2.com
  > > someone-elses-domain.com
  > > another-someones-domain.com
  > >
  > > thats how it works.
  > > i sell shared hosting myself.
  > > and all hosts do it this way.
 >
 > What? Perhaps I don't understand you correctly - are you saying that
 > some hosts give a customer an IP and tell them this is a dedicated IP
 > and then use it on other sites/servers?
 >
 > 1. you can't have the IP on 2 different servers - they would have to
 > be on the same network device.
 > 2. we (Web Your Business / AAA Business Hosting) have ALWAYS offered
 > dedicated IP hosting - no dedicated IP account will SHARE it's IP with
 > another client - we GUARANTEE it.
 >
 > We run up to 100 IPs on a server and close the server - that's because
 > the servers don't handle large numbers of IPs well - please don't
 > apply YOUR business model to other hosting companies - we obviously
 > have a different way of handing out IPs, although both our
 > "Affordable" and "Budget" accounts are NOT dedicated IP addresses -
 > they each have other domains on the same IP... which is NORMAL for
 > shared hosting. Our dedicated IP hosting is still on a "shared
 > server" - but each client on the shared server will DEFINITELY get
 > their own IP address, and no-one - I repeat - NO-ONE will have that IP
 > except their domain.
 >
 > regards
 >
 > Greg Hewitt-Long
 > --
 > - PROPER dedicated IP hosting...
 > none of this hocus pocus rubbish touted by the scandinavians here...
 >
  > > you can with some hosts get a dedicated ip that ONLY you use.
  > > but that cost extra usualy!
  > >

i dint mean that someone who say this is a dedicated ip and its not!!
lol.
i mean that if you buy shared hosting and it dont say "dedicated ip"
then you probebly share the same ip with a few others..
if it sayes dedicated ip then it usualy is..
there is always someone who lies though..
but you sound more like your trying to make a ad for your biz!
my point was just that if you buy shared hosting you might
share ip aswell.. and usualy you can buy your own ip aswell.
if you feel that is something you need..
and the google thing..
they dont give you a minus cause your on a shared ip..
but if there´s alot of domains to the same ip.. then it might be something
else..
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Thanks guys, appreciate the discussion and yes, I do get the drift!

Rock

Rock wrote:
 > Hi,
 >
 > I have been used to having a different IP number for each of my sites as
 > they have been bought seperately at different times and have nothing to
 > do with each other except with the same shared hoster.
 >
 > I see know that some hosts now offer services that can host several
 > sites via the same panel etc, but each site you add uses the same IP
 > number as the initial purchase.
 >
 > What are the pro's and cons here?
 >
 > Thanks
 >
 > Rock
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Greg Hewitt-Long wrote:
 > "Dennis Holm" <dennisholm.RemoveThis@telia.com> wrote in message
 > news:<iWhHb.43814$dP1.173470@newsc.telia.net>...
 > [top posting thing fixed again]
  >> "William Tasso" <SpamBlocked.RemoveThis@tbdata.com> skrev i meddelandet
  >> news:bsjpbe$df12s$1@ID-139074.news.uni-berlin.de...
   >>> Rock wrote:
   >>>> ...
   >>>> I have been used to having a different IP number for each of my
   >>>> sites as they have been bought seperately at different times and
   >>>> have
   >>>> nothing to do with each other except with the same shared hoster.
   >>>>
   >>>> I see know that some hosts now offer services that can host several
   >>>> sites via the same panel etc, but each site you add uses the same
   >>>> IP number as the initial purchase.
   >>>>
   >>>> What are the pro's and cons here?
   >>>
   >>> There are no technical issues worthy of note.
   >>>
   >>> Do the sites support each other wrt linking strategies? There is
   >>> much rumour/speculation/gossip (but no satisfactory[1] proof ) that
   >>> google
  >> gives
   >>> less weight to incoming links from the same ip-address. A simple
  >> extention
   >>> to that algo would reveal that all IPs used belong to the same
   >>> netblock owner - a strategy that would cause much instability for
   >>> no real gain.
   >>>
   >>> [1] anyone?
   >>> --
<font color=brown>   >>> William Tasso - <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://WilliamTasso.com</font" target="_blank">http://WilliamTasso.com</font</a>>
   >>>
   >>>
  >> the google thing.
  >> it is just rumors.
  >> i talked to the swedish google division about that.
  >> they said that is NOT true.
  >> they dont care about the ip.
  >> if you got a good site on a shared hosting
  >> and a litle bit less good site on a dedicated ip.
  >> then the shared hosting site would be nr1.
 >
 > I don't think anyone from within ANY division of Google.com will tell
 > you the "truth" about this - they are CONSTANTLY on the lookout for
 > links farms - which OFTEN use a shared IP.
 >
 > No-one would setup 1,000 domains on a shared IP and point them to one
 > site without it ringing alarm bells at the Google end... that's the
 > point I think people are trying to get to the bottom of. If you have
 > many IPs, you might get away with fudging the algorithm for longer,
 > but who knows where the trips and safeties to detect link farm spam
 > are set? You? No... you don't even appear to comprehend dedicated IP
 > hosting properly...
 >
 > Greg
 >

Stop making an ass out of yourself. Your read his post wrong and made your
reply into an ad....
I for one would NEVER do business with you after this.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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 > Stop making an ass out of yourself. Your read his post wrong and made your
 > reply into an ad....
 > I for one would NEVER do business with you after this.

Greg knows his onions.
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