Verisign Screws The World

"GreyWyvern" <SP_bhuisman.DeleteThis@greywyvern.com_AM> wrote in message
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 > On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 21:19:30 -0400, McWebber <mcwebber.DeleteThis@my-deja.com> wrote:
 >
  > > Does your server reject email from .com and .net that don't exist? Not
  > > any
  > > more it doesn't. Thanks to Verislime now making all domains resolve in
an
  > > apparent effort to hijack the MSN or whatever your default search is for
  > > "no
  > > DNS" results. Now every .net resolves to 64.94.110.11 and by tomorrow I
  > > believe every .com will as well.
  > >
  > > Yes, I've tested it, not-a-real.net or make up your own.
 >
 > Won't this just be a case of: Now we'll reject mail with DNS that resolves
 > to 64.94.110.11 ?

The mail doesn't come from that IP.

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McWebber wrote:
 > Does your server reject email from .com and .net that don't exist?
 > Not any more it doesn't. Thanks to Verislime now making all domains
 > resolve in an apparent effort to hijack the MSN or whatever your
 > default search is for "no DNS" results. Now every .net resolves to
 > 64.94.110.11 and by tomorrow I believe every .com will as well.
 >
 > Yes, I've tested it, not-a-real.net or make up your own.

Where did you hear about this?
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"rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski" <rfgdxm DeleteThis @vivisectSPAMMERSmochamail.com> wrote
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 > McWebber wrote:
  > > Does your server reject email from .com and .net that don't exist?
  > > Not any more it doesn't. Thanks to Verislime now making all domains
  > > resolve in an apparent effort to hijack the MSN or whatever your
  > > default search is for "no DNS" results. Now every .net resolves to
  > > 64.94.110.11 and by tomorrow I believe every .com will as well.
  > >
  > > Yes, I've tested it, not-a-real.net or make up your own.
 >
 > Where did you hear about this?

Not that it matters, but in an IRC chat and it's now on Slashdot and being
discussed in news.admin.net-abuse.email.

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"rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski" <rfgdxm.TakeThisOut@vivisectSPAMMERSmochamail.com> wrote
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  > > Yes, I've tested it, not-a-real.net or make up your own.
 >
 > Where did you hear about this?

Here's more:
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://slashdot.org/articles/03/09/16/0034210.shtml?tid=126&tid=95&tid=98&tid=99" target="_blank">http://slashdot.org/articles/03/09/16/0034210.shtml?tid=126&tid=95&tid=98&tid=99</a>
I'm sure it will be on news.com.com soon enough.


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McWebber wrote:
 > Does your server reject email from .com and .net that don't exist?
 > Not any more it doesn't. Thanks to Verislime now making all domains
 > resolve in an apparent effort to hijack the MSN or whatever your
 > default search is for "no DNS" results. Now every .net resolves to
 > 64.94.110.11 and by tomorrow I believe every .com will as well.
 >
 > Yes, I've tested it, not-a-real.net or make up your own.

yep unresolved .com domains now bring up the veri-thing page. I was happy
with trial and error domain name searching on product/company/"things I
heard down the pub" names. I don't like the way it screws with the address
line in my browser.

they also try to send 3rd party cookies from the page in a poor attempt to
collect marketing data.

Note to data collection agencies: you are welcome to track my net usage (in
all browsers/UAs/connections) and demographic profile - however that
information will cost you. subscription deals can be arranged.

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"McWebber" <mcwebber.TakeThisOut@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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 > Does your server reject email from .com and .net that don't exist? Not any
 > more it doesn't. Thanks to Verislime now making all domains resolve in an

Big deal. So the spammmer gets a ten-a-penny domain name under the previous
system, or fakes one.
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"William Tasso" <ngx.TakeThisOut@tbdata.com> wrote in message
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 > yep unresolved .com domains now bring up the veri-thing page. I was happy
 > with trial and error domain name searching on product/company/"things I
 > heard down the pub" names. I don't like the way it screws with the
address
 > line in my browser.

Wow! Thank you Verisign!!!

I deliberately mistyped one of my domains, and got the verisign page.

It suggested the CORRECT domain!!!

Think of all those new visitors that previously I would have lost!

I love it!!
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Charles Sweeney wrote:
 > "William Tasso" <ngx.DeleteThis@tbdata.com> wrote in message
 > news:bk6h78$psup2$1@ID-139074.news.uni-berlin.de...
 >
  >> yep unresolved .com domains now bring up the veri-thing page. I was
  >> happy with trial and error domain name searching on
  >> product/company/"things I heard down the pub" names. I don't like
  >> the way it screws with the address line in my browser.
 >
 > Wow! Thank you Verisign!!!
 >
 > I deliberately mistyped one of my domains, and got the verisign page.
 >
 > It suggested the CORRECT domain!!!
 >
 > Think of all those new visitors that previously I would have lost!
 >
 > I love it!!

may be a short relationship - it depends on the nature of the typo as well
as how popular that alt spelling is and how 'good' the algo is.

some typos bring up the site I wanted, others don't even show it in the
list.

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McWebber wrote:
 > Does your server reject email from .com and .net that don't exist? Not any
 > more it doesn't. Thanks to Verislime now making all domains resolve in an
 > apparent effort to hijack the MSN or whatever your default search is for "no
 > DNS" results. Now every .net resolves to 64.94.110.11 and by tomorrow I
 > believe every .com will as well.
 >
 > Yes, I've tested it, not-a-real.net or make up your own.

Can anyone explain why Verisign can do this and how in really dumb
language for me?

I'm getting the effect here for both .com and .net. but not .com.au and
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David Venn-Brown wrote:

 > Can anyone explain why Verisign can do this and how in really dumb
 > language for me?

Because they can get away with it. So far.

 > I'm getting the effect here for both .com and .net. but not .com.au
 > and I don't like it (as much as the 404 page bores me).

Verisign doesn't control .com.au.
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"McWebber" <mcwebber.TakeThisOut@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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 > Does your server reject email from .com and .net that don't exist? Not any
 > more it doesn't. Thanks to Verislime now making all domains resolve in an
 > apparent effort to hijack the MSN or whatever your default search is for
"no
 > DNS" results. Now every .net resolves to 64.94.110.11 and by tomorrow I
 > believe every .com will as well.
 >
Wake up McWebber and smell the coffee!

Verisign for all their evil do not control the dns.
It is simply a wildcard in the dns at the level they do have control over

Its not a new thing. Marketers have been doing that for years only
difference is they did not effect the same level of dns. Rather they only
effected a name search at the level and below where they were positioned on
the hierarchy.

whether you get a 404 or the Verisign page you still know that the name does
not exist

As far as your mail is concerned, reject of non existance domains will still
apply as they are a dns lookup function and that is not effected! Yes the
IP# will be there but the zone file is empty and there are no mx records to
respond!

If you don't like what Verisign are doing, (which does not impinge on the
functioning of the net), I sugest you are on the wrong network

I have just run a series of very thourough tests on names I know are not
registered and every time I still get a page cannot be displayed - I do not
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Bill Logan wrote:
 > ...
 > Verisign for all their evil do not control the dns.
 > It is simply a wildcard in the dns at the level they do have control
 > over
 > ...
 > I have just run a series of very thourough tests on names I know are
 > not registered and every time I still get a page cannot be displayed
 > - I do not get taken to that page you refer to unless I input the IP#!

propogation delay? I suspect you will shortly

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"Bill Logan" <who RemoveThis @what.com> wrote in message news:3f66a942@clear.net.nz...
 >
 > Verisign for all their evil do not control the dns.

Yes, they control the root servers.

 >
 > As far as your mail is concerned, reject of non existance domains will
still
 > apply as they are a dns lookup function and that is not effected!

Yes it is. The domain appears to exist because Verislime has an A record for
every domain. The default action by RFC is when there is no MX to try the A
record, so now every domain appears to be valid.

 > IP# will be there but the zone file is empty and there are no mx records
to
 > respond!

Per the RFC the A record responds because they have an MTA running.


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