Style Sheet Times New Roman

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 04:16:54 GMT, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
<a.nony.mous.TakeThisOut@example.invalid> wrote:

>Fred Atkinson wrote:
>
>> I rarely use style sheets so I know little about coding them.
>
>http://htmldog.com/guides/cssbeginner/
>
>> However, I have a Web site where I need to force the fonts on the page
>> to come up as Times New Roman regardless of which font the browser is
>> set to.
>
>You can't force anything from a web page. Some of your visitors are not
>going to have Times New Roman on their computers. (It's an ugly font.)
>
>That said,
>
>#content { font-family: "Times New Roman", Georgia, serif; }
>
>Though I would use Georgia, it's much easier to read:
>
>#content { font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", serif; }
>
>> Can someone tell me how to do this?
>
>Make an image of the text.

Well, I decided that the better way to do it was to just put
the font tag around the affected text.

I know the font is ugly. The issue is that it has a special
character that not all fonts support. If the font changes, the
character doesn't show up right.

I'll check the common fonts and see if they might support it.
Regards, and thanks,



Fred
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On Feb 10, 4:56 am, Fred Atkinson wrote:

> The issue is that it has a special
> character that not all fonts support. If the font changes, the
> character doesn't show up right.

Maybe have a look at character encoding
http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/charset.html
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Fred Atkinson wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 04:16:54 GMT, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
>
>> You can't force anything from a web page. Some of your visitors are not
>> going to have Times New Roman on their computers. (It's an ugly font.)
>>
>> That said,
>>
>> #content { font-family: "Times New Roman", Georgia, serif; }
>>
>> Though I would use Georgia, it's much easier to read:
>>
>> #content { font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", serif; }
>>
>>> Can someone tell me how to do this?
>> Make an image of the text.
>
> Well, I decided that the better way to do it was to just put
> the font tag around the affected text.

If by "better" you mean "better than making an image of the text," then
okay, that's not a bad decision; you're trading the uncertainty of what
font the user will actually see against the drawbacks of having
(non-scalable, non-searchable) graphics.

But if you mean using <font> instead of a CSS style is "better," then I
have to disagree. First of all, if the "special character" appears more
than once, you need to include the <font> overhead everywhere. But
beyond that, using <font> is no more a guarantee that the character will
show up right than using CSS.

Note that Beauregard's suggested CSS rules might give your user Georgia
or some other serif font, either of which might lack the one glyph you
are trying to show. If you can't find some satisfactory alternatives
(from the research you promise below), you might as well just stick with

#content { font-family: "Times New Roman"; }

>
> I'll check the common fonts and see if they might support it.



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John Hosking wrote:

> Note that Beauregard's suggested CSS rules might give your user
> Georgia or some other serif font, either of which might lack the one
> glyph you are trying to show.

Note that Fred didn't mention "The issue is that it [TNR] has a special
character that not all fonts support." in his original post.

I wonder what the special character is...

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On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 13:45:28 +0100, John Hosking
<John DeleteThis @DELETE.Hosking.name.INVALID> wrote:

>Fred Atkinson wrote:
>If by "better" you mean "better than making an image of the text," then
>okay, that's not a bad decision; you're trading the uncertainty of what
>font the user will actually see against the drawbacks of having
>(non-scalable, non-searchable) graphics.
>
>But if you mean using <font> instead of a CSS style is "better," then I
>have to disagree. First of all, if the "special character" appears more
>than once, you need to include the <font> overhead everywhere. But
>beyond that, using <font> is no more a guarantee that the character will
>show up right than using CSS.
>
>Note that Beauregard's suggested CSS rules might give your user Georgia
>or some other serif font, either of which might lack the one glyph you
>are trying to show. If you can't find some satisfactory alternatives
>(from the research you promise below), you might as well just stick with
>
>#content { font-family: "Times New Roman"; }
>
>>
>> I'll check the common fonts and see if they might support it.

I enclose the script that generates the data inside the TNR
font. That way, the script always displays it correctly.

The rest of the page uses the font selected by the browser.

Regards,



Fred
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On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:10:15 GMT, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
<a.nony.mous.RemoveThis@example.invalid> wrote:

>John Hosking wrote:
>
>> Note that Beauregard's suggested CSS rules might give your user
>> Georgia or some other serif font, either of which might lack the one
>> glyph you are trying to show.
>
>Note that Fred didn't mention "The issue is that it [TNR] has a special
>character that not all fonts support." in his original post.
>
>I wonder what the special character is...

The special character is the Ø.

Regards,



Fred
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Fred Atkinson <fatkinson RemoveThis @mishmash.com> wrote:

> I know the font is ugly. The issue is that it has a special
> character that not all fonts support. If the font changes, the
> character doesn't show up right.

Which is? You might fix this better & easier by using utf-8 encoding.

> I'll check the common fonts and see if they might support it.
> Regards, and thanks,

Better: check an overview of unicode characters. If it's there, either use
utf-8 encoding, or use entity encoding of the character (&#dddd;) if you
prefer a different encoding.

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Fred Atkinson wrote:

> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
>> Note that Fred didn't mention "The issue is that it [TNR] has a
>> special character that not all fonts support." in his original post.
>>: -)
>>
>> I wonder what the special character is...
>
> The special character is the Ø.

I see that glyph in several other fonts, including Georgia.
It also can be used with sans-serif fonts, monospace fonts...

What happens when you eschew using the <font> tags, and place:

<p>Fred's special character: Ø or Ø </p>

...in your HTML?

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Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> Fred Atkinson wrote:
>
>> The special character is the Ø.
>
> What happens when you eschew using the <font> tags, and place:
> <p>Fred's special character: Ø or Ø </p>

The OP is using it as a slashed zero, but that character is really a
letter, not a number.

I suppose misusing it like that is no worse than using angle quote marks
as arrows, which is fairly common.

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On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 18:41:56 GMT, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
<a.nony.mous.TakeThisOut@example.invalid> wrote:

>I see that glyph in several other fonts, including Georgia.
>It also can be used with sans-serif fonts, monospace fonts...
>
>What happens when you eschew using the <font> tags, and place:
>
><p>Fred's special character: Ø or Ø </p>
>
>..in your HTML?

I'm not sure specifically what you mean (coding wise) when you
say 'eschew'.

I tried just putting it in when strings were transmitted that
might display that character. But there was a lot of extraneous
coding. And I was concerned that when the browser's font was very
different than the slashed zero (Ø) that it would look weird being so
different from the rest of the characters.

So I put the <font TNR> tag at the beginning of the table and
the </font> tag just before the table ends. That way, we don't lose
the character and the character doesn't look different from the rest
of what is in the table generated.

Take a look at http://www.wb4aej.com/hamdomain . The script
generates the enormous table that you see there. You'll see what I
mean.

I appreciate your feedback.

Regards,



Fred
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Fred Atkinson wrote:

> So I put the <font TNR> tag at the beginning of the table and the
> </font> tag just before the table ends. That way, we don't lose the
> character and the character doesn't look different from the rest of what
> is in the table generated.
>
> Take a look at http://www.wb4aej.com/hamdomain . The script generates
> the enormous table that you see there. You'll see what I mean.

Here's what I see.

http://blinkynet.net/stuff/comp/atkinson.jpg


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Bergamot wrote:
> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> Fred Atkinson wrote:
>>
>>> The special character is the Ø.
>> What happens when you eschew using the <font> tags, and place:
>> <p>Fred's special character: Ø or Ø </p>
>
> The OP is using it as a slashed zero, but that character is really a
> letter, not a number.
>
> I suppose misusing it like that is no worse than using angle quote marks
> as arrows, which is fairly common.
>

It has a very specific use, and within that it is definitely NOT az
"misuse".

I suggest you understand the actual use being made of something before
you declare it a "misuse".

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On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 17:56:42 -0600, Bergamot <bergamot DeleteThis @visi.com>
wrote:

>Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> Fred Atkinson wrote:
>>
>>> The special character is the Ø.
>>
>> What happens when you eschew using the <font> tags, and place:
>> <p>Fred's special character: Ø or Ø </p>
>
>The OP is using it as a slashed zero, but that character is really a
>letter, not a number.
>
>I suppose misusing it like that is no worse than using angle quote marks
>as arrows, which is fairly common.

You aren't thinking like a ham radio operator (which is what
the page is for). Those copying Morse code made the zero as a slashed
zero so that when they were writing fast because they were receiving a
fast sender, the slashed zero made it clear that it was a zero and not
the letter O. It's part of ham radio culture.

Regards,



Fred
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