Starting Web design course and hopefully new career - Advi..

Sean wrote:
 > Hi
 >
 > I am current working in IT as a system Administrator for a community
 > org. I have just started a Diploma of IT Multimedia Integration and
 > Web Desin course at TAFE.
 > I will be learning HTML, Dreamweaver and imaging.
 >
 > What I would like opinions on is; What to learn and which order to
 > learn them in.
 > I am planning to learn HTML, Dreamweaver MX but not sure about things
 > like ASP, PHP, CSS, Apache etc.
 >
 > Opinions on what to concentrate on and the order others would do them
 > in would be appreciatted.
 >
 > Go easy on me
 >
 > Sean


Here is my advice:

1) Study HTML (it's pretty easy), and then look into CSS as soon as
possible. You don't want "old school" HTML coders to contaminate you
with their bad advice (i.e. table based layouts, using <FONT> tags,
browser-specific code, etc..).

2) Apache and PHP are free. If your curious about them, you can
download them and spend an afternoon checking them out. PHP probably
won't be worth looking into until your comfortable with HTML.

3) Become familiar with databases and SQL. mySQL is a popular database.

4) What kind of imaging are you going to do? If you have to buy your
own program, Paint Shop Pro 8 is nice. GIMP is a popular free image
program. The biggie is Photoshop, but it cost a lot. Personally, I've
never used Photoshop and never felt the need to use it. Paint Shop Pro
has always served me well.

5) Don't limit yourself to what you learn in the classroom! Play around
on your own. I highly recommend creating a personal website. Think of
it as a resume for when you get the degree!

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.w3schools.com" target="_blank">www.w3schools.com</a> has a lot of great tutorials. The awesome thing about
web design is that you can get everything you need for free (except the
graphic programs I mentioned).<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Sean wrote:
 > Hi

Hello

 > I am current working in IT as a system Administrator for a community
 > org. I have just started a Diploma of IT Multimedia Integration and
 > Web Desin course at TAFE.
 > I will be learning HTML, Dreamweaver and imaging.
 >
 > What I would like opinions on is; What to learn and which order to
 > learn them in.
 > I am planning to learn HTML, Dreamweaver MX but not sure about things
 > like ASP, PHP, CSS, Apache etc.
 >
 > Opinions on what to concentrate on and the order others would do them
 > in would be appreciatted.

HTML
CSS
ASP/PHP whichever/either/both
SQL

Treat mage creation/manipulation as a separate stream.

Don't even think about DWMX and its WYSINWYG friends until you understand
how to build a site. By then you won't need them anyway.

 > Go easy on me

piffle - if you're gonna swim with sharks, you'll need a tough hide.

--
William Tasso - <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://WilliamTasso.com" target="_blank">http://WilliamTasso.com</a><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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"Sean" <fake RemoveThis @fake.com.au> wrote in message news:kevl001ji9ri7o14db7odbnf8nl6qncr7q@4ax.com...
|
| Hi
|
| I am current working in IT as a system Administrator for a community
| org. I have just started a Diploma of IT Multimedia Integration and
| Web Desin course at TAFE.
| I will be learning HTML, Dreamweaver and imaging.
|
| What I would like opinions on is; What to learn and which order to
| learn them in.
| I am planning to learn HTML, Dreamweaver MX but not sure about things
| like ASP, PHP, CSS, Apache etc.
|
| Opinions on what to concentrate on and the order others would do them
| in would be appreciatted.
|
| Go easy on me
|
| Sean

dont neglect the graphic design side, it's the hardest thing to do well
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Hung Diep
New Media Designer
www.intro-spect.co.uk
0795 6576 319
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On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:51:07 -0000, "Barefoot Kid"
<hungdiep.TakeThisOut@intro-spect.co.uk> wrote:
 >
 >dont neglect the graphic design side, it's the hardest thing to do well
 >---------------------------------------------------
 >Hung Diep
 >New Media Designer
 >www.intro-spect.co.uk
 >0795 6576 319

Please explain?

You can have beautiful graphics on your site but if you haven't put
the required effort into the design you should pack up and go home.

If you have crappy graphics but the design is flawless you are likely
to have a success on your hands. Unless its a site selling your
skills as a graphic artist or web stylist. Then you're done for.

Visual design is the final, surface layer in the design cycle.
Concentrate on the design, then add style.


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Hi all

Thank you all for your advice, I appreciate it.

Trent

The imaging covers
Incorporating digital photography into multimedia presentations.
Use advanced features of computer applications.
Incorporating animation into multimedia presentations.
Learning Adobe photoshop and Illustrator.

I have purchased paintshop pro V8, have alway been a fan of this
program.

Sean


On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:51:07 -0000, "Barefoot Kid"
<hungdiep RemoveThis @intro-spect.co.uk> wrote:

 >"Sean" <fake RemoveThis @fake.com.au> wrote in message news:kevl001ji9ri7o14db7odbnf8nl6qncr7q@4ax.com...
 >|
 >| Hi
 >|
 >| I am current working in IT as a system Administrator for a community
 >| org. I have just started a Diploma of IT Multimedia Integration and
 >| Web Desin course at TAFE.
 >| I will be learning HTML, Dreamweaver and imaging.
 >|
 >| What I would like opinions on is; What to learn and which order to
 >| learn them in.
 >| I am planning to learn HTML, Dreamweaver MX but not sure about things
 >| like ASP, PHP, CSS, Apache etc.
 >|
 >| Opinions on what to concentrate on and the order others would do them
 >| in would be appreciatted.
 >|
 >| Go easy on me
 >|
 >| Sean
 >
 >dont neglect the graphic design side, it's the hardest thing to do well
 >---------------------------------------------------
 >Hung Diep
 >New Media Designer
 >www.intro-spect.co.uk
 >0795 6576 319
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Sean wrote:
 >
 > Hi all
 >
 > Thank you all for your advice, I appreciate it.
 >
 > Trent
 >
 > The imaging covers
 > Incorporating digital photography into multimedia presentations.
 > Use advanced features of computer applications.
 > Incorporating animation into multimedia presentations.
 > Learning Adobe photoshop and Illustrator.
 >
 > I have purchased paintshop pro V8, have alway been a fan of this
 > program.
 >
 > Sean
 >
 > On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:51:07 -0000, "Barefoot Kid"
 > <hungdiep.DeleteThis@intro-spect.co.uk> wrote:
 >
  > >"Sean" <fake.DeleteThis@fake.com.au> wrote in message news:kevl001ji9ri7o14db7odbnf8nl6qncr7q@4ax.com...
  > >|
  > >| Hi
  > >|
  > >| I am current working in IT as a system Administrator for a community
  > >| org. I have just started a Diploma of IT Multimedia Integration and
  > >| Web Desin course at TAFE.
  > >| I will be learning HTML, Dreamweaver and imaging.
  > >|
  > >| What I would like opinions on is; What to learn and which order to
  > >| learn them in.
  > >| I am planning to learn HTML, Dreamweaver MX but not sure about things
  > >| like ASP, PHP, CSS, Apache etc.
  > >|
  > >| Opinions on what to concentrate on and the order others would do them
  > >| in would be appreciatted.
  > >|
  > >| Go easy on me
  > >|
  > >| Sean
  > >
  > >dont neglect the graphic design side, it's the hardest thing to do well
  > >---------------------------------------------------
  > >Hung Diep
  > >New Media Designer
  > >www.intro-spect.co.uk
  > >0795 6576 319
  > >

Sean,

Barefoot is right. These will teach you the mechanics of the programs.
But you also need the artistic sense.

Knowing how to do something is one thing. Knowing just what to place
and where to place it are something completely different.

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Jerry Stuckle wrote:
 > ...
 > Knowing just what to place
 > and where to place it are something completely different.

Exactly so. leave that stuff to the girls. they usually know best.

--
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"Adrian Appleyard" <adrian.RemoveThis@REMOVE123.nameplace.com.au> wrote in message
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 > On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:51:07 -0000, "Barefoot Kid"
 > <hungdiep.RemoveThis@intro-spect.co.uk> wrote:
  > >
  > >dont neglect the graphic design side, it's the hardest thing to do well
  > >---------------------------------------------------
  > >Hung Diep
  > >New Media Designer
  > >www.intro-spect.co.uk
  > >0795 6576 319
 >
 > Please explain?
 >
 > You can have beautiful graphics on your site but if you haven't put
 > the required effort into the design you should pack up and go home.
 >
 > If you have crappy graphics but the design is flawless you are likely
 > to have a success on your hands. Unless its a site selling your
 > skills as a graphic artist or web stylist. Then you're done for.
 >
 > Visual design is the final, surface layer in the design cycle.
 > Concentrate on the design, then add style.

you need it all... trust me.

Good (vistual) design is important, you wouldn't buy a barn to live in, just
cause the foundation is solid (yes you wouldn't buy a pretty house with poor
foundations... that is my point)

1. HCI is vital. (or usability)
2. Good coding is important.
3. Accesibility is fairly important (make sure its fine in IE and your 90%
of the way there, btw not many businesses would give up 10% of their
business)

HTH's

Gerry<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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| Jerry Stuckle wrote:
| > ...
| > Knowing just what to place
| > and where to place it are something completely different.
|
| Exactly so. leave that stuff to the girls. they usually know best.

oohh.... get her :p
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Hung Diep
New Media Designer
www.intro-spect.co.uk
0795 6576 319
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