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Ian

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 6:20 am
Post subject: Setting up own web server - comments and advice sought please
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I'd really appreciate some advice on how to choose & set up a
co-located web server. I need to know what OS / configuration to go
for. We're going for our own, co-located server because we need total
control of it. I work in a small team of experienced software
developers with some technical knowledge (we maintain our own LAN) but
we're not experts and setting up a web server is pretty new to us.

The web server will be used to host websites only (asp.net based with
forms authentication). We will require SQL server to support the
websites and at least two of the sites will require SSL in some parts.
There will probably be three web sites in total - one busy one, one
fairly quiet and one very quiet - they will all be our own sites,
we're not hosting any third party sites. These sites will be for
public use.

For economy, I am considering starting out with SBS 2003 as this has
IIS and SQL server. I understand that the 75 CAL limit is not a
problem if I'm only authenticating users with Forms Authentication.

My concerns are over hosting multiple web sites. I understand that
SBS can do this using host headers with one IP address but that will
not work if more than one site uses SSL and so I deduced that we'd
need a separate IP address for each website instead. Am I right so
far? How do we configure the server to use multiple IP addresses?

Are there any limits to using SBS in terms of the number of
websites/IP addresses that it can host? If so, is Windows server 2003
any different/better in this respect?

Are there better/more suitable options that won't break the bank?

Any advice is greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Ian

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 10:35 am
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"Ian" <ian__ RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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 > I'd really appreciate some advice on how to choose & set up a
 > co-located web server. I need to know what OS / configuration to go
 > for. We're going for our own, co-located server because we need total
 > control of it. I work in a small team of experienced software
 > developers with some technical knowledge (we maintain our own LAN) but
 > we're not experts and setting up a web server is pretty new to us.
 >
 > The web server will be used to host websites only (asp.net based with
 > forms authentication). We will require SQL server to support the
 > websites and at least two of the sites will require SSL in some parts.
 > There will probably be three web sites in total - one busy one, one
 > fairly quiet and one very quiet - they will all be our own sites,
 > we're not hosting any third party sites. These sites will be for
 > public use.
 >
 > For economy, I am considering starting out with SBS 2003 as this has
 > IIS and SQL server. I understand that the 75 CAL limit is not a
 > problem if I'm only authenticating users with Forms Authentication.
 >
 > My concerns are over hosting multiple web sites. I understand that
 > SBS can do this using host headers with one IP address but that will
 > not work if more than one site uses SSL and so I deduced that we'd
 > need a separate IP address for each website instead. Am I right so
 > far? How do we configure the server to use multiple IP addresses?

Correct. You just assign multiple IP addresses to the network card as part
of the TCP/IP configuration.

 > Are there any limits to using SBS in terms of the number of
 > websites/IP addresses that it can host? If so, is Windows server 2003
 > any different/better in this respect?

No, but depending on how heavy your usage is you may want to host SQL on a
different box. You will not really know until you start running live or
perform some load tests.

 > Are there better/more suitable options that won't break the bank?

SBS might be overkill. Standard Windows Server plus SQL is enough - you'll
have to check pricing though.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 7:55 pm
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On 27 Apr 2005 06:20:55 -0700, ian__.RemoveThis@hotmail.com (Ian) wrote:

 >I'd really appreciate some advice on how to choose & set up a
 >co-located web server. I need to know what OS / configuration to go
 >for. We're going for our own, co-located server because we need total
 >control of it. I work in a small team of experienced software
 >developers with some technical knowledge (we maintain our own LAN) but
 >we're not experts and setting up a web server is pretty new to us.

Fortunately, most of it is standard network and Windows
administration. The IIS is relatively straight forward.

 >The web server will be used to host websites only (asp.net based with
 >forms authentication). We will require SQL server to support the
 >websites and at least two of the sites will require SSL in some parts.
 > There will probably be three web sites in total - one busy one, one
 >fairly quiet and one very quiet - they will all be our own sites,
 >we're not hosting any third party sites. These sites will be for
 >public use.
 >
 >For economy, I am considering starting out with SBS 2003 as this has
 >IIS and SQL server. I understand that the 75 CAL limit is not a
 >problem if I'm only authenticating users with Forms Authentication.

Pricewise that's smart, but the SBS folks can warn you if there are
any other restrictions you might be facing.

 >My concerns are over hosting multiple web sites. I understand that
 >SBS can do this using host headers with one IP address but that will
 >not work if more than one site uses SSL and so I deduced that we'd
 >need a separate IP address for each website instead. Am I right so
 >far? How do we configure the server to use multiple IP addresses?

You add IP addresses to the NIC. This gets a little tougher if you
use ISA in that you need to deal with ISA settings, but it's still
pretty simple. You need multiple *public* IP addresses to do this, in
case you have only a single public IP from your provider. Otherwise
in the network card settings, choose Advanced and add a
second/third/whatever IP. Then you can set IIS to answer on just that
IP.

 >Are there any limits to using SBS in terms of the number of
 >websites/IP addresses that it can host? If so, is Windows server 2003
 >any different/better in this respect?

Good question for the SBS side. I don't think there's anything beyond
the 75 user limit.

 >Are there better/more suitable options that won't break the bank?

Probably. Smile

SBS is less expensive, but Server 2003 Standard and a SQL license (has
to be per processor for web use) may be more capable for you. A
separate SQL server may be required if you have heavy SQL use, needing
a new Server license as well. Then you could use Web edition on the
front end web server and Server 2003 Standard on the SQL server. Or
you could wait until traffic analysis justifys it.

Jeff<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Chad A. Gross [SBS MVP]

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 12:09 am
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Hi Ian -

A couple of points:

1) The SBS EULA specifically prohibits using SBS for any sort of
commercial hosting. So as long as these websites are your own, you're ok,
otherwise SBS isn't for you.

2) Are you just looking for a web server, or are you planning on using
this server in its intended role (to run your business on). If you're
planning on using this in your business, we strongly discourage using SBS to
host web sites. Sure the capability is there - but considering that SBS is
also your domain controller and most likely housing your business data,
using SBS also as a web server is a generally a bad idea.

3) Note that SBS licensing does allow you to use SQL to backend public
websites. However - any sort of authentication with the SBS (whether
integrated w/ AD or forms based via a web site or whatever) will legally
require an SBS CAL (the only situation where an SBS CAL is not required is a
pure anonymous connection). Note also that SBS does *NOT* allow a
concurrent connection licensing model, and we have an upper limit of 75 CALs
(either User or Device). As a result, if remote users are authenticating
with the SBS in any way, they will require a CAL - which means that you'll
have an upper limit of 75 unique users - period. CALs cannot be shared -
once a user authenticates and consumes a CAL, they retain that CAL even
after they disconnect. Now, technically speaking SBS does not have the
capacity to enforce this licensing model - but that's what the model is.

Almost always, SBS is not the solution if you're just looking for a web
hosting solution. While it may be cheaper than straight Windows Server and
SQL Server (if necessary) - you're better off in the long run going with
those products as they're better suited for web hosting.

--

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SBS ROCKS!

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Ian wrote:
 > I'd really appreciate some advice on how to choose & set up a
 > co-located web server. I need to know what OS / configuration to go
 > for. We're going for our own, co-located server because we need total
 > control of it. I work in a small team of experienced software
 > developers with some technical knowledge (we maintain our own LAN) but
 > we're not experts and setting up a web server is pretty new to us.
 >
 > The web server will be used to host websites only (asp.net based with
 > forms authentication). We will require SQL server to support the
 > websites and at least two of the sites will require SSL in some parts.
 > There will probably be three web sites in total - one busy one, one
 > fairly quiet and one very quiet - they will all be our own sites,
 > we're not hosting any third party sites. These sites will be for
 > public use.
 >
 > For economy, I am considering starting out with SBS 2003 as this has
 > IIS and SQL server. I understand that the 75 CAL limit is not a
 > problem if I'm only authenticating users with Forms Authentication.
 >
 > My concerns are over hosting multiple web sites. I understand that
 > SBS can do this using host headers with one IP address but that will
 > not work if more than one site uses SSL and so I deduced that we'd
 > need a separate IP address for each website instead. Am I right so
 > far? How do we configure the server to use multiple IP addresses?
 >
 > Are there any limits to using SBS in terms of the number of
 > websites/IP addresses that it can host? If so, is Windows server 2003
 > any different/better in this respect?
 >
 > Are there better/more suitable options that won't break the bank?
 >
 > Any advice is greatly appreciated.
 >
 > Thanks
 >
 > Ian<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 1:38 am
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Thanks very much to all who responded - that's clarified a few things
for me.

In response to Chad's posting, point 1: the server is intended to host
commercial sites but only our own sites - nobody elses. I understood
that to be ok but I haven't been able to find the EULA for SBS 2003
anywhere - if anyone knows where to find it or can post it that would
really help. Point 2: I am just looking for a web server, we will not
also be running our business on it.

It sounds like SBS has the capability, at least until the website gets
off the ground and traffic builds, and it's also much cheaper than 2003
Server + SQL Server so I would be inclined to go for it except for the
licensing issue - if Chad is correct about not being able to have more
than 75 users, even if they are only authenticated using Forms
Authentication, then that alone will prohibit me from using SBS.

Thanks again
Ian
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 4:55 pm
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Would <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.MySQL.com" target="_blank">www.MySQL.com</a> work for your Situation?

I know it's not the same, but depending on your use. a LOT cheaper!

Russ


"Ian" <ian__.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1a40f8d.0504270520.36c902fa@posting.google.com...
 > I'd really appreciate some advice on how to choose & set up a
 > co-located web server. I need to know what OS / configuration to go
 > for. We're going for our own, co-located server because we need total
 > control of it. I work in a small team of experienced software
 > developers with some technical knowledge (we maintain our own LAN) but
 > we're not experts and setting up a web server is pretty new to us.
 >
 > The web server will be used to host websites only (asp.net based with
 > forms authentication). We will require SQL server to support the
 > websites and at least two of the sites will require SSL in some parts.
 > There will probably be three web sites in total - one busy one, one
 > fairly quiet and one very quiet - they will all be our own sites,
 > we're not hosting any third party sites. These sites will be for
 > public use.
 >
 > For economy, I am considering starting out with SBS 2003 as this has
 > IIS and SQL server. I understand that the 75 CAL limit is not a
 > problem if I'm only authenticating users with Forms Authentication.
 >
 > My concerns are over hosting multiple web sites. I understand that
 > SBS can do this using host headers with one IP address but that will
 > not work if more than one site uses SSL and so I deduced that we'd
 > need a separate IP address for each website instead. Am I right so
 > far? How do we configure the server to use multiple IP addresses?
 >
 > Are there any limits to using SBS in terms of the number of
 > websites/IP addresses that it can host? If so, is Windows server 2003
 > any different/better in this respect?
 >
 > Are there better/more suitable options that won't break the bank?
 >
 > Any advice is greatly appreciated.
 >
 > Thanks
 >
 > Ian<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 1:31 am
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Russ,

Thanks for the suggestion. I've never used MySQL and hadn't even
looked at it closely so I've just spent a while doing just that. SQL
Server supports a number of things that I require which My SQL does
not; that primarily but together with my familiarity with SQL Server
make SQL the right choice for this venture although I wouldn't rule out
MySQL for future projects and personal use.

Ian
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 9:27 am
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Yes, I know, MySQL doesn't have everything that SQL has,
I just was hoping it was an alternative...

I personally Rent Webserver Space, it's less headaches in the long run...
Russ

<ian__.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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 > Russ,
 >
 > Thanks for the suggestion. I've never used MySQL and hadn't even
 > looked at it closely so I've just spent a while doing just that. SQL
 > Server supports a number of things that I require which My SQL does
 > not; that primarily but together with my familiarity with SQL Server
 > make SQL the right choice for this venture although I wouldn't rule out
 > MySQL for future projects and personal use.
 >
 > Ian
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 11:39 am
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Ditto.

And if you need SQL server support with your webhosting plan - check out
webhost4life.com - I have a few different sites hosted there, including a
Sharepoint site and a couple DotNetNuke sites . . .

--

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SBS ROCKS!

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Russ wrote:
 > Yes, I know, MySQL doesn't have everything that SQL has,
 > I just was hoping it was an alternative...
 >
 > I personally Rent Webserver Space, it's less headaches in the long
 > run... Russ
 >
 > <ian__ RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
 > news:1114763477.481799.76480@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
  >> Russ,
  >>
  >> Thanks for the suggestion. I've never used MySQL and hadn't even
  >> looked at it closely so I've just spent a while doing just that. SQL
  >> Server supports a number of things that I require which My SQL does
  >> not; that primarily but together with my familiarity with SQL Server
  >> make SQL the right choice for this venture although I wouldn't rule
  >> out MySQL for future projects and personal use.
  >>
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