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Since: Jun 28, 2003
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 10:12 pm
Post subject: PHP mail() and "unrouteable mail domain"
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Ok, I worked out what I thought was a really cool mailing list system.
My mailing list for one of my sites is now 574 recipients.
I had previously tested the whole thing with about 50 guinea pigs and it
worked great every time.
I've since sent two messages to the whole list. The first one went off
without a hitch.
Last night, I get 574 messages that say "unrouteable mail domain".
I'm completely lost as to why this has happened.
Here is one of the failure emails:
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---------- Forwarded Message ----------
FROM: Mail Delivery System <Mailer-Daemon.DeleteThis@serve.wwwroot4.net>
TO: webmaster.DeleteThis@punkrockshows.com
DATE: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 19:54:43 -0500
RE: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender
This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.
A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
xxxxxxx.DeleteThis@bellsouth.net
unrouteable mail domain "bellsouth.net"
------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------
Return-path: <webmaster.DeleteThis@punkrockshows.com>
Received: from nobody by serve.wwwroot4.net with local (Exim 4.20)
id 19X9Pu-0007MF-V0
for xxxxxxx.DeleteThis@bellsouth.net; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 19:54:43 -0500
To: xxxxxxx.DeleteThis@bellsouth.net
Subject: PunkRockShows.com site changes
From: Punk Rock Shows<webmaster.DeleteThis@punkrockshows.com>
Reply-To: <webmaster.DeleteThis@punkrockshows.com>
X-Sender: <webmaster.DeleteThis@punkrockshows.com
X-Mailer: PHP4
X-Priority: 3
Mime-Version:1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Message-Id: <E19X9Pu-0007MF-V0.DeleteThis@serve.wwwroot4.net>
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 19:54:43 -0500
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Any idea what's up?
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 10:33 pm
Post subject: Re: PHP mail() and "unrouteable mail domain" [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:12:58 -0400, EightNineThree
<eightninethree.RemoveThis@REMOVEeightninethree.com> wrote:
> Ok, I worked out what I thought was a really cool mailing list system.
> My mailing list for one of my sites is now 574 recipients.
> I had previously tested the whole thing with about 50 guinea pigs and it
> worked great every time.
> I've since sent two messages to the whole list. The first one went off
> without a hitch.
> Last night, I get 574 messages that say "unrouteable mail domain".
You did check with your host and bellsouth.net to tell them what you were
up to right? Because it seems suspiciously like the host (or bellsouth)
shutting down your access to the PHP SMTP server.
They just might've thought it was spam. In any case, if it worked once,
you haven't changed anything, and it's no longer working, it's likely your
host (or bellsouth) has *something* to do with it.
Grey
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 10:36 pm
Post subject: Re: PHP mail() and "unrouteable mail domain" [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"GreyWyvern" <sp_bhuisman.DeleteThis@greywyvern.com_am> wrote in message
news:oprrnnqbjugk3m3d@news.ican.net...
> On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:12:58 -0400, EightNineThree
> <eightninethree.DeleteThis@REMOVEeightninethree.com> wrote:
>
> > Ok, I worked out what I thought was a really cool mailing list system.
> > My mailing list for one of my sites is now 574 recipients.
> > I had previously tested the whole thing with about 50 guinea pigs and it
> > worked great every time.
> > I've since sent two messages to the whole list. The first one went off
> > without a hitch.
> > Last night, I get 574 messages that say "unrouteable mail domain".
>
> You did check with your host and bellsouth.net to tell them what you were
> up to right? Because it seems suspiciously like the host (or bellsouth)
> shutting down your access to the PHP SMTP server.
>
> They just might've thought it was spam. In any case, if it worked once,
> you haven't changed anything, and it's no longer working, it's likely your
> host (or bellsouth) has *something* to do with it.
>
> Grey
Its prolly with my host. It doesn't matter what the recipient domain is.
That was just a sample.
I have a number of other similar scripts running elsewhere, but they never
have more than say 50 at a time.
One of my sites lists shows across the country and people can sign up to get
the shows as they come in for their state.
This works flawlessly (I get BCCs) but there's never been anymore than about
50 at a time for those.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2003 2:43 am
Post subject: Re: PHP mail() and "unrouteable mail domain" [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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No it's not... You have to send them one by one with at least 2-3 seconds of
the last one being sent. PHP mail() has something built in to stop this from
being used to spam people.. 50 is not a problem but I think the magic number
150 is the problem....I made one for a client of mine and that's what my
host told me... so I sent them every 5 seconds and it works perfect...
- Geoff
"EightNineThree" <eightninethree DeleteThis @REMOVEeightninethree.com> wrote in message
news:bdt63u$4oj$1@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com...
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> "GreyWyvern" <sp_bhuisman DeleteThis @greywyvern.com_am> wrote in message
> news:oprrnnqbjugk3m3d@news.ican.net...
> > On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:12:58 -0400, EightNineThree
> > <eightninethree DeleteThis @REMOVEeightninethree.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Ok, I worked out what I thought was a really cool mailing list system.
> > > My mailing list for one of my sites is now 574 recipients.
> > > I had previously tested the whole thing with about 50 guinea pigs and
it
> > > worked great every time.
> > > I've since sent two messages to the whole list. The first one went
off
> > > without a hitch.
> > > Last night, I get 574 messages that say "unrouteable mail domain".
> >
> > You did check with your host and bellsouth.net to tell them what you
were
> > up to right? Because it seems suspiciously like the host (or bellsouth)
> > shutting down your access to the PHP SMTP server.
> >
> > They just might've thought it was spam. In any case, if it worked once,
> > you haven't changed anything, and it's no longer working, it's likely
your
> > host (or bellsouth) has *something* to do with it.
> >
> > Grey
>
> Its prolly with my host. It doesn't matter what the recipient domain is.
> That was just a sample.
>
> I have a number of other similar scripts running elsewhere, but they never
> have more than say 50 at a time.
> One of my sites lists shows across the country and people can sign up to
get
> the shows as they come in for their state.
> This works flawlessly (I get BCCs) but there's never been anymore than
about
> 50 at a time for those.
>
>
> --
> Karl Core
>
> Charles Sweeney says my sig is fine as it is.
>
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2003 11:36 am
Post subject: Re: PHP mail() and "unrouteable mail domain" [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Carved in mystic runes upon the very living rock, the last words of
G.Smith of alt.www.webmaster make plain:
> "EightNineThree" <eightninethree.DeleteThis@REMOVEeightninethree.com> wrote in
> message news:bdt63u$4oj$1@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com...
>>
>> > > Ok, I worked out what I thought was a really cool mailing list
>> > > system. My mailing list for one of my sites is now 574
>> > > recipients. I had previously tested the whole thing with about 50
>> > > guinea pigs and it worked great every time.
>> > > I've since sent two messages to the whole list. The first one
>> > > went off without a hitch.
>> > > Last night, I get 574 messages that say "unrouteable mail
>> > > domain".
>
> No it's not... You have to send them one by one with at least 2-3
> seconds of the last one being sent. PHP mail() has something built in
> to stop this from being used to spam people..
I've never heard of that, and don't see anything about it in the mail()
documentation. Where did you hear of it?
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Phorm PHP Form Processor
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2003 11:40 am
Post subject: Re: PHP mail() and "unrouteable mail domain" [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Carved in mystic runes upon the very living rock, the last words of
EightNineThree of alt.www.webmaster make plain:
> I had previously tested the whole thing with about 50 guinea pigs and
> it worked great every time.
> I've since sent two messages to the whole list. The first one went
> off without a hitch.
> Last night, I get 574 messages that say "unrouteable mail domain".
>
> I'm completely lost as to why this has happened.
> Here is one of the failure emails:
I agree with GW that it's most likely with your host - either they
noticed the traffic and put a stop to it, or their system has something
to automatically catch it. If the two messages were sent close together,
my guess would be the latter.
I've never heard of any kind of governor built into the mail() function
as Smith suggests, but he may respond with a citation. I know, per my
host's policies, large batches of email must have a 3-second sleep after
every 100 messages. Check with your host on that
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Alan Little
Phorm PHP Form Processor
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.phorm.com/" target="_blank">http://www.phorm.com/</a><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: PHP mail() and "unrouteable mail domain" |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2003 2:44 am
Post subject: Re: PHP mail() and "unrouteable mail domain" [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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I am going by what my host told me... I sent the emails in 5 second
intervals and everything works...
- Geoff
"Alan Little" <alan.TakeThisOut@n-o-s-p-a-m-phorm.com> wrote in message
news:Xns93AC62571A588alanphormcom@216.166.71.230...
> Carved in mystic runes upon the very living rock, the last words of
> EightNineThree of alt.www.webmaster make plain:
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> > I had previously tested the whole thing with about 50 guinea pigs and
> > it worked great every time.
> > I've since sent two messages to the whole list. The first one went
> > off without a hitch.
> > Last night, I get 574 messages that say "unrouteable mail domain".
> >
> > I'm completely lost as to why this has happened.
> > Here is one of the failure emails:
>
> I agree with GW that it's most likely with your host - either they
> noticed the traffic and put a stop to it, or their system has something
> to automatically catch it. If the two messages were sent close together,
> my guess would be the latter.
>
> I've never heard of any kind of governor built into the mail() function
> as Smith suggests, but he may respond with a citation. I know, per my
> host's policies, large batches of email must have a 3-second sleep after
> every 100 messages. Check with your host on that
>
> --
> Alan Little
> Phorm PHP Form Processor
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.phorm.com/</font" target="_blank">http://www.phorm.com/</font</a>><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: PHP mail() and "unrouteable mail domain" |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2003 8:00 am
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Carved in mystic runes upon the very living rock, the last words of
G.Smith of alt.www.webmaster make plain:
> "Alan Little" <alan DeleteThis @n-o-s-p-a-m-phorm.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns93AC62571A588alanphormcom@216.166.71.230...
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>> I've never heard of any kind of governor built into the mail()
>> function as Smith suggests, but he may respond with a citation. I
>> know, per my host's policies, large batches of email must have a
>> 3-second sleep after every 100 messages. Check with your host on that
>>
> I am going by what my host told me... I sent the emails in 5 second
> intervals and everything works...
OK, I just wondered. It sounds to me like they're just stating their
policy or referring to something they've built into their system. If they
actually said it was built in to the mail() function, perhaps the person
who told you that didn't know, or they just want people to think that.
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Alan Little
Phorm PHP Form Processor
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.phorm.com/" target="_blank">http://www.phorm.com/</a><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: PHP mail() and "unrouteable mail domain" |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2003 2:46 am
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That could be true... my guess it's something they are governing... not
build in to the mail()...whatever works...
- Geoff
"Alan Little" <alan DeleteThis @n-o-s-p-a-m-phorm.com> wrote in message
news:Xns93AD3D315CDD2alanphormcom@206.127.4.11...
> Carved in mystic runes upon the very living rock, the last words of
> G.Smith of alt.www.webmaster make plain:
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> > "Alan Little" <alan DeleteThis @n-o-s-p-a-m-phorm.com> wrote in message
> > news:Xns93AC62571A588alanphormcom@216.166.71.230...
> >>
> >> I've never heard of any kind of governor built into the mail()
> >> function as Smith suggests, but he may respond with a citation. I
> >> know, per my host's policies, large batches of email must have a
> >> 3-second sleep after every 100 messages. Check with your host on that
> >>
> > I am going by what my host told me... I sent the emails in 5 second
> > intervals and everything works...
>
> OK, I just wondered. It sounds to me like they're just stating their
> policy or referring to something they've built into their system. If they
> actually said it was built in to the mail() function, perhaps the person
> who told you that didn't know, or they just want people to think that.
>
> --
> Alan Little
> Phorm PHP Form Processor
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2003 2:00 pm
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Carved in mystic runes upon the very living rock, the last words of
G.Smith of alt.www.webmaster make plain:
> "Alan Little" <alan.DeleteThis@n-o-s-p-a-m-phorm.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns93AD3D315CDD2alanphormcom@206.127.4.11...
>> Carved in mystic runes upon the very living rock, the last words of
>> G.Smith of alt.www.webmaster make plain:
>>
>> > "Alan Little" <alan.DeleteThis@n-o-s-p-a-m-phorm.com> wrote in message
>> > news:Xns93AC62571A588alanphormcom@216.166.71.230...
>> >>
>> >> I've never heard of any kind of governor built into the mail()
>> >> function as Smith suggests, but he may respond with a citation. I
>> >> know, per my host's policies, large batches of email must have a
>> >> 3-second sleep after every 100 messages. Check with your host on
>> >> that
>> >>
>> > I am going by what my host told me... I sent the emails in 5 second
>> > intervals and everything works...
>>
>> OK, I just wondered. It sounds to me like they're just stating their
>> policy or referring to something they've built into their system. If
>> they actually said it was built in to the mail() function, perhaps
>> the person who told you that didn't know, or they just want people to
>> think that.
>>
> That could be true... my guess it's something they are governing...
> not build in to the mail()...whatever works...
Yeah, not trying to bust your chops (except about the top-posting  , I
just wanted to make sure there wasn't something I didn't know about,
since I make my living with PHP.
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Phorm PHP Form Processor
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