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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 12:31 pm
Post subject: Microsoft Expression Web Designer
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I make it a habit of installing & trying various products from major
players such as Adobe/Macromedia, Microsoft, etc. so that when a client
says "Have you ever done anything with XXX" I can answer them at least semi
intelligently about why we do (or do not) use such a product.
Well, the verdict is in on Microsoft Expression Web Designer: Steaming
pile of poop. It is a bloated turd at 204Mb and required me to install
some other .NET tripe from Microsoft. I used it for about 15 minutes and
it took me longer to create a basic CSS layout than it would to do by hand.
Further, it (or the .NET update) has caused all sorts of issues with MS
Office and it won't let me uninstall it.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 12:31 pm
Post subject: Re: Microsoft Expression Web Designer [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Oct 30, 1:31 pm, Karl Groves <k... RemoveThis @NOSPAMkarlcore.com> wrote:
> I make it a habit of installing & trying various products from major
> players such as Adobe/Macromedia, Microsoft, etc. so that when a client
> says "Have you ever done anything with XXX" I can answer them at least semi
> intelligently about why we do (or do not) use such a product.
>
> Well, the verdict is in on Microsoft Expression Web Designer: Steaming
> pile of poop. It is a bloated turd at 204Mb and required me to install
> some other .NET tripe from Microsoft. I used it for about 15 minutes and
> it took me longer to create a basic CSS layout than it would to do by hand.
> Further, it (or the .NET update) has caused all sorts of issues with MS
> Office and it won't let me uninstall it.
Karl,
Just as a point of reference, have you tried Dreamweaver 8, and what do
you think of it? I happen to like Dreamweaver.
Sam Mela
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:10 pm
Post subject: Re: Microsoft Expression Web Designer [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Im a big fan of dreamweaver 8 but as far as standards go I hate to say
it but Expressions is way ahead, so Macromedia needs to get 9 out and
working.
Sam Mela wrote:
> On Oct 30, 1:31 pm, Karl Groves <k....DeleteThis@NOSPAMkarlcore.com> wrote:
> > I make it a habit of installing & trying various products from major
> > players such as Adobe/Macromedia, Microsoft, etc. so that when a client
> > says "Have you ever done anything with XXX" I can answer them at least semi
> > intelligently about why we do (or do not) use such a product.
> >
> > Well, the verdict is in on Microsoft Expression Web Designer: Steaming
> > pile of poop. It is a bloated turd at 204Mb and required me to install
> > some other .NET tripe from Microsoft. I used it for about 15 minutes and
> > it took me longer to create a basic CSS layout than it would to do by hand.
> > Further, it (or the .NET update) has caused all sorts of issues with MS
> > Office and it won't let me uninstall it.
>
> Karl,
>
> Just as a point of reference, have you tried Dreamweaver 8, and what do
> you think of it? I happen to like Dreamweaver.
>
> Sam Mela
> www.WeekendSuccess.com >> Stay informed about: Microsoft Expression Web Designer |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:43 pm
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:25 pm
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<imaginethepoet DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Im a big fan of dreamweaver 8 but as far as standards go I hate to say
> it but Expressions is way ahead, so Macromedia needs to get 9 out and
> working.
>
>
> Sam Mela wrote:
>> On Oct 30, 1:31 pm, Karl Groves <k... DeleteThis @NOSPAMkarlcore.com> wrote:
>> > I make it a habit of installing & trying various products from major
>> > players such as Adobe/Macromedia, Microsoft, etc. so that when a client
>> > says "Have you ever done anything with XXX" I can answer them at least
>> > semi
>> > intelligently about why we do (or do not) use such a product.
>> >
>> > Well, the verdict is in on Microsoft Expression Web Designer: Steaming
>> > pile of poop. It is a bloated turd at 204Mb and required me to install
>> > some other .NET tripe from Microsoft. I used it for about 15 minutes
>> > and
>> > it took me longer to create a basic CSS layout than it would to do by
>> > hand.
>> > Further, it (or the .NET update) has caused all sorts of issues with MS
>> > Office and it won't let me uninstall it.
>>
>> Karl,
>>
>> Just as a point of reference, have you tried Dreamweaver 8, and what do
>> you think of it? I happen to like Dreamweaver.
>>
>> Sam Mela
>> www.WeekendSuccess.com
>
DW8 is fine for standards compliant sites. Just take the plunge and use it
in code view and WHEY HEY! standards compliant websites.
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Paul
le singe est dans l'arbre
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 12:49 am
Post subject: Re: Microsoft Expression Web Designer [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Karl Groves wrote:
> I make it a habit of installing & trying various products from major
> players such as Adobe/Macromedia, Microsoft, etc. so that when a
> client says "Have you ever done anything with XXX" I can answer them
> at least semi intelligently about why we do (or do not) use such a
> product.
>
> Well, the verdict is in on Microsoft Expression Web Designer:
> Steaming pile of poop. It is a bloated turd at 204Mb and required me
> to install some other .NET tripe from Microsoft. I used it for
> about 15 minutes and it took me longer to create a basic CSS layout
> than it would to do by hand. Further, it (or the .NET update) has
> caused all sorts of issues with MS Office and it won't let me
> uninstall it.
>
>
>
> --
> Karl Groves
> www.karlcore.com
So the first beta release is cumbersome. bloated, and causes problems.
What behavior did you expect?
Was Office the Vista Beta as well?
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 11:19 pm
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Karl Groves wrote:
> I make it a habit of installing & trying various products from major
> players such as Adobe/Macromedia, Microsoft, etc. so that when a client
> says "Have you ever done anything with XXX" I can answer them at least semi
> intelligently about why we do (or do not) use such a product.
>
> Well, the verdict is in on Microsoft Expression Web Designer: Steaming
> pile of poop. It is a bloated turd at 204Mb and required me to install
> some other .NET tripe from Microsoft. I used it for about 15 minutes and
> it took me longer to create a basic CSS layout than it would to do by hand.
> Further, it (or the .NET update) has caused all sorts of issues with MS
> Office and it won't let me uninstall it.
>
>
>
Hi Karl.
Have you tried NVU? http://www.nvu.com
It's pritty good for a free open source product, and it's only around
the 6 MB mark.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:44 am
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"Chaddy2222" <spamlovermailbox-sicurity.RemoveThis@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
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> Karl Groves wrote:
>> I make it a habit of installing & trying various products from major
>> players such as Adobe/Macromedia, Microsoft, etc. so that when a
>> client says "Have you ever done anything with XXX" I can answer them
>> at least semi intelligently about why we do (or do not) use such a
>> product.
>>
>> Well, the verdict is in on Microsoft Expression Web Designer:
>> Steaming pile of poop. It is a bloated turd at 204Mb and required me
>> to install some other .NET tripe from Microsoft. I used it for
>> about 15 minutes and it took me longer to create a basic CSS layout
>> than it would to do by hand. Further, it (or the .NET update) has
>> caused all sorts of issues with MS Office and it won't let me
>> uninstall it.
>>
>>
>>
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> Hi Karl.
> Have you tried NVU? http://www.nvu.com
> It's pritty good for a free open source product, and it's only around
> the 6 MB mark.
Yes. I'm pretty married to Macromedia Homesite at this point. I can't do
without its "Extended Find & Replace" functionality. So much of what I do
these days is repairing work done by others and being able to change
multiple pages at once is invaluable to me.
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