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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 10:35 am
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Here's my stats chart for december.
It seems that web standards make sense more than ever: compatibility
across browsers is neccessary so that everybody can access web sites and
not be stuck at the first page.
A good point is that Netscape 4 and IE 5.5 are almost non-existent. Opera
also is gaining popularity with the 7.x series and its excellent new
features.
Be 2005 the new browser war year!
MSIE 54.8 %
Msie 6.0 51.7 %
Msie 5.5 0.9 %
Msie 5.22 0.1 %
Msie 5.17 0 %
Msie 5.16 0.1 %
Msie 5.01 1 %
Msie 5.00 0 %
Msie 5.0 0.7 %
Msie 4.01 0 %
NETSCAPE 0.9 %
Netscape 7.2 0 %
Netscape 7.1 0 %
Netscape 7.02 0.4 %
Netscape 5.0 0.3 %
Netscape 4.51 0 %
Netscape 4.05 0 %
OTHERS 44.2 %
Opera No 28.1 %
Firefox 9.5 %
Mozilla 2.6 %
Wget 2.5 %
Unknown 0.4 %
Konqueror 0.2 %
W3C HTML Validator0.2 %
Firebird (Old Firefox)0.2 %
W3C CSS Validator 0 %
RealAudio or compatible (media player)0 %
Safari 0 %
Nokia Browser (PDA/Phone browser)0 %
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 12:48 pm
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Kerberos wrote:
> Here's my stats chart for december.
> It seems that web standards make sense more than ever: compatibility
> across browsers is neccessary so that everybody can access web sites
> and not be stuck at the first page.
> A good point is that Netscape 4 and IE 5.5 are almost non-existent.
> Opera also is gaining popularity with the 7.x series and its excellent
> new features.
> Be 2005 the new browser war year!
It is my assessment that browser usage depends very much on the site. A
site that attracts younger people, or technically-inclined people, will
have a higher percentage of Opera, Safari, and Gecko-based browsers; a
site that attracts the common man will attract a larger percentage of IE
users; a site that attracts the business community will attract an even
larger percentage of IE users.
In addition, a site which does not work well with browser X will tend to
gather fewer browser X users: such users may come once, but will not
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 2:35 pm
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Once upon a time, far far away, the king summoned Kerberos
<me.DeleteThis@privacy.net> who replied:
>Here's my stats chart for december.
There are lies, damned lies, and statistics <g> User agent strings in
http requests are notoriously unreliable.
>It seems that web standards make sense more than ever: compatibility
No. The "web standards" you refer to are pointless, analy retentive,
rules drafted after the event by a group of socialy inept sad geeks.
Simple, straightforward HTML is compatible. It works. It works across
all platforms and browsers, that said, Firefox and co do get upset if
one doesn't follow the dictatorial rules, but I say fuck 'em!
If it works in both IE and Lynx I'm happy!
(okay flame away)
Matt
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 2:35 pm
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Matt Probert wrote:
> No. The "web standards" you refer to are pointless, analy retentive,
> rules drafted after the event by a group of socialy inept sad geeks.
Here is a list of the 'inept sad geeks':
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Member/List" target="_blank">http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Member/List</a>
You will note that it includes such 'inept' organizations as Adobe,
Alcatel, Apple, Boeing, Canon, CERN, Chevron Texaco, Cisco, Doubleclick,
Ericsson, France Telecom, Fuji, Fujitsu, Google, Hitachi, IBM, Intel,
JASC, Lawrence Berkely National Laboratory, Lexmark, Lockheed Martin,
Microsoft, NIST, NRC Canada, NEC, Nokia, Novell, Opera, Oracle, Siemens,
Sony, Stanford University, United States Department of the Navy ... over
360 members in all.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 3:35 pm
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 3:35 pm
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C A Upsdell > wrote:
| Matt Probert wrote:
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|> No. The "web standards" you refer to are pointless, analy retentive,
|> rules drafted after the event by a group of socialy inept sad geeks.
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| Here is a list of the 'inept sad geeks':
| http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Member/List
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| You will note that it includes such 'inept' organizations as Adobe,
| Alcatel, Apple, Boeing, Canon, CERN, Chevron Texaco, Cisco, Doubleclick,
| Ericsson, France Telecom, Fuji, Fujitsu, Google, Hitachi, IBM, Intel,
| JASC, Lawrence Berkely National Laboratory, Lexmark, Lockheed Martin,
| Microsoft, NIST, NRC Canada, NEC, Nokia, Novell, Opera, Oracle, Siemens,
| Sony, Stanford University, United States Department of the Navy ... over
| 360 members in all.
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| A sad lot, aren't they
hmm.. w3c and MS... MSIE and CSS... HA!
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 5:35 pm
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Em Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:48:54 -0500, C A Upsdell
<<""cupsdellXXX"@-@-@XXXupsdell.com">> escreveu:
> Kerberos wrote:
>> Here's my stats chart for december.
>> It seems that web standards make sense more than ever: compatibility
>> across browsers is neccessary so that everybody can access web sites
>> and not be stuck at the first page.
>> A good point is that Netscape 4 and IE 5.5 are almost non-existent.
>> Opera also is gaining popularity with the 7.x series and its excellent
>> new features.
>> Be 2005 the new browser war year!
>
> It is my assessment that browser usage depends very much on the site. A
> site that attracts younger people, or technically-inclined people, will
> have a higher percentage of Opera, Safari, and Gecko-based browsers; a
> site that attracts the common man will attract a larger percentage of IE
> users; a site that attracts the business community will attract an even
> larger percentage of IE users.
>
> In addition, a site which does not work well with browser X will tend to
> gather fewer browser X users: such users may come once, but will not
> return.
That's true. I for instance won't go back to the web site of my bank
because they deliberately block Opera identified as Opera.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 5:35 pm
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On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 19:52:13 -0200, Kerberos wrote:
> Em Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:48:54 -0500, C A Upsdell
> <<""cupsdellXXX"@-@-@XXXupsdell.com">> escreveu:
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>> Kerberos wrote:
>>> Here's my stats chart for december.
>>> It seems that web standards make sense more than ever: compatibility
>>> across browsers is neccessary so that everybody can access web sites
>>> and not be stuck at the first page.
>>> A good point is that Netscape 4 and IE 5.5 are almost non-existent.
>>> Opera also is gaining popularity with the 7.x series and its excellent
>>> new features.
>>> Be 2005 the new browser war year!
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>> It is my assessment that browser usage depends very much on the site. A
>> site that attracts younger people, or technically-inclined people, will
>> have a higher percentage of Opera, Safari, and Gecko-based browsers; a
>> site that attracts the common man will attract a larger percentage of IE
>> users; a site that attracts the business community will attract an even
>> larger percentage of IE users.
>>
>> In addition, a site which does not work well with browser X will tend to
>> gather fewer browser X users: such users may come once, but will not
>> return.
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> That's true. I for instance won't go back to the web site of my bank
> because they deliberately block Opera identified as Opera.
Doesn't Opera let you choose a custom user agent?
Karim
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 10:28 pm
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Kerberos wrote:
> Here's my stats chart for december.
> It seems that web standards make sense more than ever: compatibility
> across browsers is neccessary so that everybody can access web sites and
> not be stuck at the first page.
> A good point is that Netscape 4 and IE 5.5 are almost non-existent. Opera
> also is gaining popularity with the 7.x series and its excellent new
> features.
> Be 2005 the new browser war year!
Here are my stats for December:
Firefox 90%.
MSIE: 5%
Netscape 4%
Others 1%
If I want to sell something, I show how MY product is compared to others,
and without a doubt, MY product WILL always be the most outstanding one.
These kind of single site stats don't mean squat to me.
What I want to know is, is that visitor finding what he wants at my site and
how long is he here?
Why was he here for only a few seconds?
I don't care which browser he uses, as long as he sees the site the way I
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 11:35 pm
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C A Upsdell > wrote:
> Matt Probert wrote:
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>> No. The "web standards" you refer to are pointless, analy retentive,
>> rules drafted after the event by a group of socialy inept sad geeks.
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> Here is a list of the 'inept sad geeks':
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Member/List</font" target="_blank">http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Member/List</font</a>>
Google - do google pages validate ?
Lexmark - Would you buy a lexmark printer ?
A lot of the others have no business dictating to me how I develop a
webpage...
However, I do believe in standards, just vastly more open and forward
thinking ... !
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 12:35 am
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While sitting in a puddle Richard scribbled in the mud:
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> If I want to sell something, I show how MY product is compared to others,
> and without a doubt, MY product WILL always be the most outstanding one.
Are you refering to the one you stole?
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 12:35 am
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On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 22:28:19 -0600, "Richard" <Anonymous.DeleteThis@127.001>
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> Kerberos wrote:
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>> Here's my stats chart for december.
>> It seems that web standards make sense more than ever: compatibility
>> across browsers is neccessary so that everybody can access web sites and
>> not be stuck at the first page.
>> A good point is that Netscape 4 and IE 5.5 are almost non-existent. Opera
>> also is gaining popularity with the 7.x series and its excellent new
>> features.
>> Be 2005 the new browser war year!
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>Here are my stats for December:
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>Firefox 90%.
>MSIE: 5%
>Netscape 4%
>Others 1%
I find 5% only for MSIE browsers [v5 and above] being extremely low
average. Curious.
My stats, which I have more than one site, share at least 60% being
MSIE browsers ... one site is 99% even though it works fine in Firefox
and other browsers [to my knowledge], just that most folks visiting
that one site use a form of IE. *shrug*
>These kind of single site stats don't mean squat to me.
I think they can be helpful ... but as a tool for the person behind
the site. Sort of like the Google toolbar and the PR display - just a
tool one can use if they so desire even though ranking may not depend
on if they achieve a PR5 or PR 6 on the toolbar.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 12:43 am
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C.W. wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 22:28:19 -0600, "Richard" <Anonymous.RemoveThis@127.001>
> wrote:
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>>Here are my stats for December:
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>>Firefox 90%.
>>MSIE: 5%
>>Netscape 4%
>>Others 1%
> I find 5% only for MSIE browsers [v5 and above] being extremely low
> average. Curious.
That's because he cajoled nine neighbors into visiting his site, and
looked at it 90 times himself. The other one was Duende looking for
his stolen pages.
(I'm sure RtS meant his stats as a joke.)
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 1:35 am
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While sitting in a puddle C.W. scribbled in the mud:
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> I find 5% only for MSIE browsers [v5 and above] being extremely low
> average. Curious.
No so curious considering the RtS is the only visiter to the site he stole.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 1:35 am
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On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 00:43:06 -0500, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
<a.nony.mous RemoveThis @example.invalid> wrote:
>C.W. wrote:
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>> On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 22:28:19 -0600, "Richard" <Anonymous RemoveThis @127.001>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>Here are my stats for December:
>>>
>>>Firefox 90%.
>>>MSIE: 5%
>>>Netscape 4%
>>>Others 1%
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>> I find 5% only for MSIE browsers [v5 and above] being extremely low
>> average. Curious.
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>That's because he cajoled nine neighbors into visiting his site, and
>looked at it 90 times himself. The other one was Duende looking for
>his stolen pages.
*tsk* It is a shame when a person has to resort to stealing other
folk's contents versus showing a bit of originality on the web.
>(I'm sure RtS meant his stats as a joke.)
You can never be sure ... I've seen him post some things in the past
that were not meant to be satirical or humor sharings ...
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