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John wrote:
 > At google.co.uk type in 'f**kwit' (with the missing chars)
 > The first result is our very own deputy PM John Prescott which is very
 > funny,
 > but how? the word is nowhere to be found in the text or the source?
 >
 >

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On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 11:55:46 -0000, "John" <John.RemoveThis@nospam.com> wrote:

 >At google.co.uk type in 'f**kwit' (with the missing chars)
 >The first result is our very own deputy PM John Prescott which is very
 >funny,
 >but how? the word is nowhere to be found in the text or the source?

Same way "miserable failure" brings up Bush's biography. There are
about a zillion links to the site using those terms in the anchor
text. One of the big flaws in Google's algo is that you can do this if
there are enough of you. You have a link formed thus;
anchor text
It's what you put in the anchor text that infuences Google's
assessment of the site's content, not what's actually there.

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On 3 Mar 2005 11:58:55 GMT, Els <els.aNOSPAM.RemoveThis@tiscali.nl> wrote:

 >John wrote:
 >
  >> At google.co.uk type in 'f**kwit' (with the missing chars)
  >> The first result is our very own deputy PM John Prescott
  >> which is very funny,
  >> but how? the word is nowhere to be found in the text or the
  >> source?
 >
 >There's probably a couple of links to that site that use that
 >word in the linktext

All of them from the Civil Service.

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 >You can check that by clicking the 'cache' link in Google, it
 >then says "These terms only appear in links pointing to this
 >page: f**kwit".

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In article <38oc9iF5p5g1uU1.RemoveThis@individual.net>, John.RemoveThis@nospam.com says...
 > At google.co.uk type in 'f**kwit' (with the missing chars)
 > The first result is our very own deputy PM John Prescott which is very
 > funny,
 > but how? the word is nowhere to be found in the text or the source?
 >
 >
 >
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Big Bill wrote:

 > Same way "miserable failure" brings up Bush's biography. There are
 > about a zillion links to the site using those terms in the anchor
 > text. One of the big flaws in Google's algo is that you can do this if
 > there are enough of you.

Hence, it can hardly be called a flaw.

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On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 12:25:03 GMT, Big Bill <kruse RemoveThis @cityscape.co.uk> wrote:

 > On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 11:55:46 -0000, "John" <John RemoveThis @nospam.com> wrote:
 >
  >> At google.co.uk type in 'f**kwit' (with the missing chars)
  >> The first result is our very own deputy PM John Prescott which is very
  >> funny, but how? the word is nowhere to be found in the text or the source?
 >
 > Same way "miserable failure" brings up Bush's biography. There are
 > about a zillion links to the site using those terms in the anchor
 > text. One of the big flaws in Google's algo is that you can do this if
 > there are enough of you.

Flaw? I like the idea of the 'popular vote' What ever you may think of
yourself, your pages, your products, it is what others think that really counts.
Good. Go Google, Go Google


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Barbara de Zoete wrote:

 > On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 12:25:03 GMT, Big Bill <kruse.DeleteThis@cityscape.co.uk>
 > wrote:
 >
  >> On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 11:55:46 -0000, "John" <John.DeleteThis@nospam.com> wrote:
  >>
   >>> At google.co.uk type in 'f**kwit' (with the missing chars)
   >>> The first result is our very own deputy PM John Prescott which is
   >>> very funny, but how? the word is nowhere to be found in the text or
   >>> the source?
  >>
  >> Same way "miserable failure" brings up Bush's biography. There are
  >> about a zillion links to the site using those terms in the anchor
  >> text. One of the big flaws in Google's algo is that you can do this
  >> if there are enough of you.
 >
 > Flaw? I like the idea of the 'popular vote' What ever you may
 > think of yourself, your pages, your products, it is what others think
 > that really counts. Good. Go Google, Go Google

Yup, it's not a flaw. It's like saying that PHPbb's PageRank is prove of a
flaw in the algorithm because (almost) every PHPbb install makes a link to
the main site.

To make the anchor text trick work one needs links, a lot of them.

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Richard wrote:
 > On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 11:55:46 -0000 John wrote:
 >
  >> At google.co.uk type in 'f**kwit' (with the missing chars)
  >> The first result is our very own deputy PM John Prescott which is
  >> very funny, but how? the word is nowhere to be found in the text
  >> or the source?
 >
 > Google actually searches for [f wit].

Reread the original post: "type in 'f**kwit' (WITH THE MISSING CHARS)"
(Extra emphasis provided for you) He was being polite, f**kwit.

 > I don't believe they allow wildcard matching.

How do you know?

 > Unless it happens to find a page with "f**wit" inside.
 > By using "allintext:" and quotes, it cut out a few hundred thousand
 > hits.

...but is not what the post is about.

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On 3 Mar 2005 17:29:30 GMT, John Bokma <postmaster.DeleteThis@castleamber.com>
wrote:

 >Big Bill wrote:
 >
  >> Same way "miserable failure" brings up Bush's biography. There are
  >> about a zillion links to the site using those terms in the anchor
  >> text. One of the big flaws in Google's algo is that you can do this if
  >> there are enough of you.
 >
 >Hence, it can hardly be called a flaw.

Why not?

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In: <opsm2pljh3x5vgts@zoete_b>, "Barbara de Zoete" <b_de_zoete RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
 >Flaw? I like the idea of the 'popular vote' What ever you may think of
 >yourself, your pages, your products, it is what others think that really counts.
 >Good. Go Google, Go Google

I've seen several "link lists" where one presumably pays to get listed. From what
I gather, they are domains someone has managed to scoop up. (Kind of unethical
IMO, I have such a domain they want $$$ for bugs the crap out of me to see it
as a link farm.)

I can't imagine anyone actually uses these link lists, apparently, they are for
google. Pay to get listed, with a few keywords.. your URL is "published" on these
spamholes.

I wonder if google detects these and gives such pages a lower score. I wish
search engines would do that, I think it'd help with the results. Do a lookup
on the respective domains name server (or whois or something) and if it's owned
by spamford & son, make it low. In a way that would be cool, except they'd probably
turn around and charge you to get "un-published".

I tried paid advertising once and got very few hits, the hits I did get were
mostly automated processes accessing the front page so they could make $$ off
of me. :-/ What a joke!

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Big Bill wrote:

 > On 3 Mar 2005 17:29:30 GMT, John Bokma <postmaster.TakeThisOut@castleamber.com>
 > wrote:
 >
  >>Big Bill wrote:
  >>
   >>> Same way "miserable failure" brings up Bush's biography. There are
   >>> about a zillion links to the site using those terms in the anchor
   >>> text. One of the big flaws in Google's algo is that you can do this if
   >>> there are enough of you.
  >>
  >>Hence, it can hardly be called a flaw.
 >
 > Why not?

Because it needs quite some effort. It's like saying that the PageRank of
PHPbb is a flaw because (almost) every install links to the homepage, and
hence the high PR.

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 > In: <opsm2pljh3x5vgts@zoete_b>, "Barbara de Zoete"
 > <b_de_zoete RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
 >
 > I've seen several "link lists" where one presumably pays to get listed.
 > From what
 > I gather, they are domains someone has managed to scoop up. (Kind of
 > unethical
 > IMO, I have such a domain they want $$$ for bugs the crap out of me to
 > see it
 > as a link farm.)
 >
 > I can't imagine anyone actually uses these link lists, apparently, they
 > are for
 > google. Pay to get listed, with a few keywords.. your URL is "published"
 > on these
 > spamholes.
 >
 > I wonder if google detects these and gives such pages a lower score.

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