Free Flash Intros

Flash intro is not good option. It is the way to loose your site visitors.
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"Mafia" <mafia DeleteThis @wmafia.com> wrote:

>Flash intro is not good option. It is the way to loose your site visitors.

The trouble with generalisations, is they are inaccurate. <g>

Young children, primary school age children, in the UK certainly do
LOVE Flash in all its guises.

There is anecdotal evidence to suggest that boring old farts do not
like Flash in any of its guises.

One might even deduce, that possibly the choice as to whether or not
to implement a Flash introduction depends upon the nature of ones
audience.

A site supplying Linux device drivers may not be an ideal platform for
a Flash intro screen - there will de dissenters to this view.

However, a "let's learn maths" site aimed at sighted, able-bodied,
non-vegetarian primary school children probably would benefit from the
use of a Flash intro screen.

Matt


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Andy Dingley <dingbat.TakeThisOut@codesmiths.com> wrote:

>On 27 Feb, 11:27, (Matt Probert) wrote:
>
>> However, a "let's learn maths" site aimed at sighted, able-bodied,
>> non-vegetarian primary school children probably would benefit from the
>> use of a Flash intro screen.
>
>Why?


Because:

Young children, primary school age children, in the UK certainly do
LOVE Flash in all its guises.


Anyone else getting a sense of deja vu?

<g>

Matt


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Andy Dingley wrote:
>
> Flash intros are bad, no matter what the content.

Why?
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John Bokma wrote:
> Tony <nospam.DeleteThis@example.com> wrote:
>
>> Andy Dingley wrote:
>>> Flash intros are bad, no matter what the content.
>> Why?
>
> Because the 733+ say so.

Any relation to 1337?

> They probably also never click on AdSense (they
> even block it). Yet Google makes a lot of money with AdSense (OK, they
> seem to make less recently).
>
> They also don't have a MySpace page, nor ever use Twitter.

I have a MySpace page. I don't even know what's on it. My wife set it up
for me and keeps it up to date.

Does that mean I'm not 733+? Can I still be 1337?
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On 28 Feb, 00:11, Tony <nos....DeleteThis@example.com> wrote:
> Andy Dingley wrote:
>
> > Flash intros are bad, no matter what the content.
>
> Why?

Because you're making the user sit through an intro when they could be
sitting through your content instead.

Because this isn't TV, and certainly not a long movie. We don't
consume the web in a serial manner as we used to with broadcast media,
we pick and choose what we want, and exactly how much of what we want.
In particular, feeding the same intro to repeat visitors is especially
annoying. They might tolerate this once a week on a TV series, but not
every time they refresh a page (and it's hard to reliably avoid that).

It's an impatient audience out there these days! They don't want to
sit through an intro, and if you force then to do so, you're likely to
find them going somewhere else altogether.
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Andy Dingley wrote:
> On 28 Feb, 00:11, Tony <nos....DeleteThis@example.com> wrote:
>> Andy Dingley wrote:
>>
>>> Flash intros are bad, no matter what the content.
>> Why?
>
> Because you're making the user sit through an intro when they could be
> sitting through your content instead.

If the target market LIKES the intro, then how is it bad?

> Because this isn't TV, and certainly not a long movie. We don't
> consume the web in a serial manner as we used to with broadcast media,
> we pick and choose what we want, and exactly how much of what we want.

Who is "We"? A specific group of expert users like this group? All users
in general? A specific target audience?

> In particular, feeding the same intro to repeat visitors is especially
> annoying. They might tolerate this once a week on a TV series, but not
> every time they refresh a page (and it's hard to reliably avoid that).

You state a position: "feeding the same intro to repeat visitors is
especially annoying.". While I would tend to agree with you, do you have
any specific evidence to back up this claim? And more particularly, can
you say that claim is true for all target demographics?

> It's an impatient audience out there these days! They don't want to
> sit through an intro, and if you force then to do so, you're likely to
> find them going somewhere else altogether.

Also, your original statement didn't say anything about forced Flash
intros. Many of them have a "skip" link. And some sites even have ways
to bypass them.

You made a broad statement: "Flash intros are bad, no matter what the
content". Fair enough - you feel that Flash intros are bad. But are they
ALWAYS bad? I think it's rather small-minded and quite limiting to say
"yes" to that - what's good for one target audience may or may not be
good for others. That's something I often see missing from some of the
discussions here.
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Tony wrote:
> Andy Dingley wrote:
>> On 28 Feb, 00:11, Tony <nos....RemoveThis@example.com> wrote:
>>> Andy Dingley wrote:
>>>
>>>> Flash intros are bad, no matter what the content.
>>> Why?
>>
>> Because you're making the user sit through an intro when they could be
>> sitting through your content instead.
>
> If the target market LIKES the intro, then how is it bad?
>
>> Because this isn't TV, and certainly not a long movie. We don't
>> consume the web in a serial manner as we used to with broadcast media,
>> we pick and choose what we want, and exactly how much of what we want.
>
> Who is "We"? A specific group of expert users like this group? All users
> in general? A specific target audience?
>

It gets very boring to watch the same flash intro time after time.
Soon, people stop watching - because they stop visiting the site.

>> In particular, feeding the same intro to repeat visitors is especially
>> annoying. They might tolerate this once a week on a TV series, but not
>> every time they refresh a page (and it's hard to reliably avoid that).
>
> You state a position: "feeding the same intro to repeat visitors is
> especially annoying.". While I would tend to agree with you, do you have
> any specific evidence to back up this claim? And more particularly, can
> you say that claim is true for all target demographics?
>

How many times do you watch reruns of the same TV shows?

>> It's an impatient audience out there these days! They don't want to
>> sit through an intro, and if you force then to do so, you're likely to
>> find them going somewhere else altogether.
>
> Also, your original statement didn't say anything about forced Flash
> intros. Many of them have a "skip" link. And some sites even have ways
> to bypass them.
>

Some do.

> You made a broad statement: "Flash intros are bad, no matter what the
> content". Fair enough - you feel that Flash intros are bad. But are they
> ALWAYS bad? I think it's rather small-minded and quite limiting to say
> "yes" to that - what's good for one target audience may or may not be
> good for others. That's something I often see missing from some of the
> discussions here.
>

Exactly. They are ALWAYS bad. And I think it's rather small-minded and
quite limiting to force flash intros on users.

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Tony <nospam.DeleteThis@example.com> wrote:

> John Bokma wrote:

[..]

>> Because the 733+ say so.
>
> Any relation to 1337?

[..]

> Does that mean I'm not 733+? Can I still be 1337?

No, and no, obviously.

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Andy Dingley <dingbat DeleteThis @codesmiths.com> wrote:

> On 28 Feb, 00:11, Tony <nos... DeleteThis @example.com> wrote:
>> Andy Dingley wrote:
>>
>> > Flash intros are bad, no matter what the content.
>>
>> Why?
>
> Because you're making the user sit through an intro when they could be
> sitting through your content instead.

Any reason why an intro can't be considered content?

> Because this isn't TV, and certainly not a long movie.

Aha, that explains the huge failure of YouTube.

> We don't
> consume the web in a serial manner as we used to with broadcast media,
> we pick and choose what we want, and exactly how much of what we want.
> In particular, feeding the same intro to repeat visitors is especially
> annoying.

You're assuming that intros are always the same. This does happens, but is
not always the case (e.g. band sites, in my experience, have often intros
that change, even when you refresh the page).

> They might tolerate this once a week on a TV series, but not
> every time they refresh a page (and it's hard to reliably avoid that).
>
> It's an impatient audience out there these days! They don't want to
> sit through an intro, and if you force then to do so, you're likely to
> find them going somewhere else altogether.

You're talking about how *you* surf. I know plenty of people who do enjoy
intros. So who's wrong? (rhetorical).

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Jerry Stuckle wrote:
: It gets very boring to watch the same flash intro time after time.
: Soon, people stop watching - because they stop visiting the site.


I doubt they would stop visiting the site but they might skip the flash
intro.
A skip is always a good idea or if they are thinking about it they would
just bookmark the page that comes after the flash intro like I do. =)

Heidi
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John Bokma wrote:
: Aha, that explains the huge failure of YouTube.

LOL. I know I love YouTube.
However if YouTube was nothing but a bunch of flash intros I know I wouldn't
love it quite so much. =)

Hmm maybe someone should try to do that so I don't visit it so often every
single day. hee hee.

Heidi
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"Heidi" <blackcat2.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:

> John Bokma wrote:
> : Aha, that explains the huge failure of YouTube.
>
> LOL. I know I love YouTube.
> However if YouTube was nothing but a bunch of flash intros I know I
> wouldn't love it quite so much. =)
>
> Hmm maybe someone should try to do that so I don't visit it so often
> every single day. hee hee.

. Not every day, but I visit it often. Especially the little one loves
the cats.

A common mistake with "techies" I often read is that because they mostly
use the web to gather information, they think that each and every web page
has to be written to speed read without a single distraction (one might
call it the Jakob Nielsen Syndrome). They forget that there are (IMO)
plenty of people (maybe even the majority) who consider "the Internet"
just a replacement for "the tube".

I have no idea what attracts people to stuff like "Big Brother" (to me
it's like watching paint dry), but the popularity of stuff like that
suggests (IMO) that there are quite some people who don't suffer from the
constant need for new and better information.

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