Fonts question

"Sharif Tanvir Karim" <sharif.TakeThisOut@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
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 > Is there a way to display a certain font I have on any users browser? I
have
 > this font called bitdust and I know not a lot of people have it so is
there
 > any way to do that?

The only way to guarantee the font will dsplay as you want it to is to
render the text as an image in your graphics editing software.....<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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In article <3ff15059_2 RemoveThis @mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>,
"Sam \(prime electrical4u webmaster\)" <prime tee ell see @
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 > The only way to guarantee the font will dsplay as you want it to is to
 > render the text as an image in your graphics editing software.....

and that "guarantee" goes out the window if images aren't being loaded
and/or can't be seen by the user (blind/text browser/SEARCH
ENGINE/whatever). Trying to make a web page into a pamphlet-style
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Sharif Tanvir Karim sharif DeleteThis @nyc.rr.com wrote:
 > Is there a way to display a certain font I have on any users browser? I have
 > this font called bitdust and I know not a lot of people have it so is there
 > any way to do that?
 >

you can...it is rarely, if ever, worth it

the best bet is to offer a link to a download of the fint for people who
wish to see the site as the designer intended...if it's that spectacular
then some people may well do so...this ONLY works if the font is freely
available

you can embed the font, which makes for a cumbersome and less reliable
page...this also ONLY works if the font is freely available

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In message <Gn5Ib.84411$0P1.43778@twister.nyc.rr.com>, Sharif Tanvir
Karim <sharif.RemoveThis@nyc.rr.com> writes
 >Is there a way to display a certain font I have on any users browser? I have
 >this font called bitdust and I know not a lot of people have it so is there
 >any way to do that?
 >
 >--
 >Sharif Tanvir Karim
 >http://www.aftermathstudios.com
 >
 >
On any browser? probably not.

But if your happy with 85% (or is it 90% ? -- I hear so many different
statistics) of your potential audience who run with MS Internet Explorer
then you can use font embedding.

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.microsoft.com/typography/web/embedding/weft3/default.htm" target="_blank">http://www.microsoft.com/typography/web/embedding/weft3/default.htm</a>

You use the WEFT program to generate the appropriate .eot file and
upload that to your server. When the page requiring the new font is
downloaded by a user, the .eot file will be downloaded as well.

It's a fairly straightforward task once you've done it a few times.

Also, the font file can be quite small and quick to load as one of the
options is to generate an .eot file just containing the characters that
you need.

If you have a graphics editing package and you're just wanting to use
'bitdust' for a heading, then you'll find that it's probably quicker to
generate a graphic. However, the graphic can't be resized in most
browsers, but an embedded font can.

The embedded font's presence in the user's system is only temporary.

Here's an example of it's use:

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.gododdin.demon.co.uk/ng/fonttest.htm" target="_blank">http://www.gododdin.demon.co.uk/ng/fonttest.htm</a>

Those users with browsers that can handle .eot files will display the
alternative font that you've suggested in your CSS, or their default
font.

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In message <4R70WxSvfW8$EwjR@gododdin.demon.co.uk>, jake
<jake DeleteThis @gododdin.demon.co.uk> writes
 >In message <Gn5Ib.84411$0P1.43778@twister.nyc.rr.com>, Sharif Tanvir
 >Karim <sharif DeleteThis @nyc.rr.com> writes
  >>Is there a way to display a certain font I have on any users browser? I have
  >>this font called bitdust and I know not a lot of people have it so is there
  >>any way to do that?
  >>
  >>--
  >>Sharif Tanvir Karim
  >>http://www.aftermathstudios.com
  >>
  >>
 >On any browser? probably not.
 >
 >But if your happy with 85% (or is it 90% ? -- I hear so many different
 >statistics) of your potential audience who run with MS Internet
 >Explorer then you can use font embedding.
 >
 >http://www.microsoft.com/typography/web/embedding/weft3/default.htm
 >
 >You use the WEFT program to generate the appropriate .eot file and
 >upload that to your server. When the page requiring the new font is
 >downloaded by a user, the .eot file will be downloaded as well.
 >
 >It's a fairly straightforward task once you've done it a few times.
 >
 >Also, the font file can be quite small and quick to load as one of the
 >options is to generate an .eot file just containing the characters that
 >you need.
 >
 >If you have a graphics editing package and you're just wanting to use
 >'bitdust' for a heading, then you'll find that it's probably quicker to
 >generate a graphic. However, the graphic can't be resized in most
 >browsers, but an embedded font can.
 >
 >The embedded font's presence in the user's system is only temporary.
 >
 >Here's an example of it's use:
 >
 >http://www.gododdin.demon.co.uk/ng/fonttest.htm
 >
 >Those users with browsers that can handle .eot files will display the
 >alternative font that you've suggested in your CSS, or their default
 >font.
 >
 >regards.

Oops!

Last paragraph should read:

"Those users with browsers that **can't** handle .eot files will display
the alternative font that you've suggested in your CSS, or their default
font."

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Sharif Tanvir Karim wrote:

 > Is there a way to display a certain font I have on any users browser? I have
 > this font called bitdust and I know not a lot of people have it so is there
 > any way to do that?

You can embed the font, but I wouldn't recommend it. Firstly, fonts are
usually largish sorts of files wish would really slow loading times.
Secondly, the support is client-side meaning that you have to deal with
browser compatibility. Thirdly, embedding fonts is a surprisingly
difficult task and depends on the font type. I have personally never
done it because it looked like too much trouble for the advantages it
would bring. Fourthly, for longer, paragraph text, people a) are used to
their normal fonts - Times, Arial and Verdana, and b) often find other
fonts difficult to read, especially if the text differs greatly from the
normal fonts. Fifthly and finally, for headings and 'one-offs', it is
simpler to make the text a graphic file, which would probably be less of
a hassle for you and the user. Sixthly, users don't like you messing
with their settings - some even get pissed off when the font is changed
from times to arial. And finally, it isn't going to work on some
browsers anyway. So, I wouldn't bother.

Still, here are some tutorials for embedding fonts:
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/design/fonts/tutorials/tutorial2.html" target="_blank">http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/design/fonts/tutorials/tutorial2.html</a>
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.devshed.com/Client_Side/DHTML/EmbeddedFonts" target="_blank">http://www.devshed.com/Client_Side/DHTML/EmbeddedFonts</a>
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,1308799,00.asp" target="_blank">http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,1308799,00.asp</a>
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.google.com/search?q=embedded+fonts&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8" target="_blank">http://www.google.com/search?q=embedded+fonts&sourceid=mozilla-search&...rt=0&st</a>

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"Doc O'Leary" <droleary.usenet RemoveThis @subsume.com> wrote in message
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 > In article <3ff15059_2 RemoveThis @mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>,
 > "Sam \(prime electrical4u webmaster\)" <prime tee ell see @
 > tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
 >
  > > The only way to guarantee the font will dsplay as you want it to is to
  > > render the text as an image in your graphics editing software.....
 >
 > and that "guarantee" goes out the window if images aren't being loaded
 > and/or can't be seen by the user (blind/text browser/SEARCH
 > ENGINE/whatever). Trying to make a web page into a pamphlet-style
 > layout is a loser approach from any number of perspectives.

Maybe so....But it's just about the best answer the OP is likely to get
given the nature of his question.....I never said it was a perfect
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In message <cz5Ib.72$uQ3.2885@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au>, David VB
<davidvb.RemoveThis@notmydomain.com> writes
 >Sharif Tanvir Karim wrote:
 >
  >> Is there a way to display a certain font I have on any users browser? I have
  >> this font called bitdust and I know not a lot of people have it so is there
  >> any way to do that?
 >
 >You can embed the font, but I wouldn't recommend it.


 >Firstly, fonts are usually largish sorts of files wish would really
 >slow loading times.

Not necessarily. It depends on what you are using the font for.
On my reply to the OP's question I gave a url to an example page which
looks like this:
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.gododdin.demon.co.uk/ng/FONTS.JPG" target="_blank">http://www.gododdin.demon.co.uk/ng/FONTS.JPG</a>

The file for the heading contains only those characters used and takes
up 7k -- not any bigger than a graphic would be.

The file for the body text which (I think) contains only the characters
used is 20k.

 >Secondly, the support is client-side meaning that you have to deal with
 >browser compatibility.

Yes, true. However, if you can settle for only 85% of your viewers (IE4
onwards for .eot files) seeing your chosen font than it's not a problem.
Those users that can't handle the embedded font file format will just
see the alternative font the CSS suggests, or their default.

 >Thirdly, embedding fonts is a surprisingly difficult task and depends
 >on the font type.

Nope. Not difficult at all -- use the WEFT utility

 >I have personally never done it because it looked like too much trouble
 >for the advantages it would bring.

What can I say?

 >Fourthly, for longer, paragraph text, people a) are used to their
 >normal fonts - Times, Arial and Verdana, and b) often find other fonts
 >difficult to read, especially if the text differs greatly from the
 >normal fonts.

Personal choice.

 > Fifthly and finally, for headings and 'one-offs', it is simpler to
 >make the text a graphic file, which would probably be less of a hassle
 >for you and the user.

Depends:
Headings as a graphic -- maybe/probably;
Body text as a graphic -- no, text can't be resized and you'd have to
provide a non-graphics option for the benefit of those with screen
readers, text-only browsers, etc.

 >Sixthly, users don't like you messing with their settings - some even
 >get pissed off when the font is changed from times to arial. And
 >finally, it isn't going to work on some browsers anyway.

Well, I guess this a design/authoring decision; can't please every one
all the time

 >So, I wouldn't bother.
 >
Try it; you might like it


 >Still, here are some tutorials for embedding fonts:
 >http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/design/fonts/tutorials/tutorial2.html
 >http://www.devshed.com/Client_Side/DHTML/EmbeddedFonts
 >http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,1308799,00.asp
 >http://www.google.com/search?q=embedded+fonts&sourceid=mozilla-search&st
 >art=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
 >
 >HTH
 >
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In message <MPG.1a5b6cf14c68344698bfe9.TakeThisOut@News.CIS.DFN.DE>, Eric Jarvis
<web.TakeThisOut@ericjarvis.co.uk> writes
 >Sharif Tanvir Karim sharif.TakeThisOut@nyc.rr.com wrote:
  >> Is there a way to display a certain font I have on any users browser? I have
  >> this font called bitdust and I know not a lot of people have it so is there
  >> any way to do that?
  >>
 >
 >you can...it is rarely, if ever, worth it
 >
 >the best bet is to offer a link to a download of the fint for people who
 >wish to see the site as the designer intended...if it's that spectacular
 >then some people may well do so...this ONLY works if the font is freely
 >available
 >
 >you can embed the font, which makes for a cumbersome and less reliable
 >page

Why cumbersome? Why less reliable?

 >...this also ONLY works if the font is freely available

It depends on what the Font Embeddability is set to.
 >
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"jake" <jake.TakeThisOut@gododdin.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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  > >Here's an example of it's use:
  > >
  > >http://www.gododdin.demon.co.uk/ng/fonttest.htm

Don't know much about it Jake, but yours looks like a good solution, works
for me!
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