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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2003 2:11 pm
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I have a site that badly needs an update. I want to go to a database
driven design (PHP/MySQL) but the site has a pagerank of 4 which I
don't want to jeopardise. I'm thinking of leaving the main index.htm
and adding index.php and waiting to see how the SE's pick up on the
new stuff. Any thoughts on this?

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2003 2:11 pm
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Steve Josephs wrote:
 > I have a site that badly needs an update. I want to go to a database
 > driven design (PHP/MySQL) but the site has a pagerank of 4 which I
 > don't want to jeopardise.

o PR calculations are are based on links to your page.
o Altering the content will not change your PR on its own.
o Changing from static to dynamic does not mean you have to change the
content

 > I'm thinking of leaving the main index.htm
 > and adding index.php and waiting to see how the SE's pick up on the
 > new stuff. Any thoughts on this?

Page content (however generated) will affect your position within the
results for any given keyword search. This is far more important than PR.

news:alt.internet.search-engines is a good resource.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2003 2:11 pm
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"Steve Josephs" <webmaster DeleteThis @finger.anandalucia.com> wrote in message
news:5mp6jvkq3h7nbp5eu299oeu658i254h3jp@4ax.com...
 > I have a site that badly needs an update. I want to go to a database
 > driven design (PHP/MySQL) but the site has a pagerank of 4 which I
 > don't want to jeopardise. I'm thinking of leaving the main index.htm
 > and adding index.php and waiting to see how the SE's pick up on the
 > new stuff. Any thoughts on this?

Watch out if you are passing a session ID with the URL.

Google does not like this:

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://sellyourhouseforfree.com/listing.php?id=1757&PHPSESSID=aa4df8f4303c6fdbc333638a3d7fabd3" target="_blank">http://sellyourhouseforfree.com/listing.php?id=1757&PHPSESSID=aa4df8f4...c6fdbc3</a>

So I have discovered!
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2003 2:11 pm
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Have you considered using SSI tags. An html page with
an SSI such as <!--#INCLUDE VIRTUAL="the_real_page.php"-->
is indistinguishable to a search engine from a page that
had the output of "the_real_page.php" hardcoded into it.

If you decide you don't want to code PHP by hand, check out
Webdata Pro <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.webdatapro.com" target="_blank">http://www.webdatapro.com</a>

Rob

Steve Josephs wrote:

 > I have a site that badly needs an update. I want to go to a database
 > driven design (PHP/MySQL) but the site has a pagerank of 4 which I
 > don't want to jeopardise. I'm thinking of leaving the main index.htm
 > and adding index.php and waiting to see how the SE's pick up on the
 > new stuff. Any thoughts on this?
 >
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2003 2:11 pm
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"Rob Young" <robyoung68.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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 > Have you considered using SSI tags. An html page with
 > an SSI such as <!--#INCLUDE VIRTUAL="the_real_page.php"-->
 > is indistinguishable to a search engine from a page that
 > had the output of "the_real_page.php" hardcoded into it.
 >
 > If you decide you don't want to code PHP by hand, check out
<font color=purple> > Webdata Pro <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.webdataspam.com</font" target="_blank">http://www.webdataspam.com</font</a>>

Quit the spamming Robert.

Or at least acknowledge that it is your own site you are recommending.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2003 3:29 pm
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In article <5mp6jvkq3h7nbp5eu299oeu658i254h3jp.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>, Steve Josephs wrote:
 > I have a site that badly needs an update. I want to go to a database
 > driven design (PHP/MySQL) but the site has a pagerank of 4 which I
 > don't want to jeopardise. I'm thinking of leaving the main index.htm
 > and adding index.php and waiting to see how the SE's pick up on the
 > new stuff. Any thoughts on this?
 >
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 > Steve Josephs

If memory serves, if you're using apache, you can alter th .htaccess file to
instruct apache to parse html pages as php pages...then you wouldn't have to
change any page names at all.

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2003 10:10 am
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"Steve Josephs" <webmaster DeleteThis @finger.anandalucia.com> wrote in message
news:5mp6jvkq3h7nbp5eu299oeu658i254h3jp@4ax.com...
 > I have a site that badly needs an update. I want to go to a database
 > driven design (PHP/MySQL) but the site has a pagerank of 4 which I
 > don't want to jeopardise. I'm thinking of leaving the main index.htm
 > and adding index.php and waiting to see how the SE's pick up on the
 > new stuff. Any thoughts on this?
 >
Why not simply include the front pages php within the index.html. The server
will parse it before serving so the SE will still only see the html

E.g.

index.html

<html>
<?php


?>
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2003 3:22 pm
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On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:37:16 +0100, "Charles Sweeney"
<me DeleteThis @charlessweeney.com> wrote:

 >"Steve Josephs" <webmaster DeleteThis @finger.anandalucia.com> wrote in message
 >news:5mp6jvkq3h7nbp5eu299oeu658i254h3jp@4ax.com...
  >> I have a site that badly needs an update. I want to go to a database
  >> driven design (PHP/MySQL) but the site has a pagerank of 4 which I
  >> don't want to jeopardise. I'm thinking of leaving the main index.htm
  >> and adding index.php and waiting to see how the SE's pick up on the
  >> new stuff. Any thoughts on this?
 >
 >Watch out if you are passing a session ID with the URL.
 >
 >Google does not like this:
 >
 >http://sellyourhouseforfree.com/listing.php?id=1757&PHPSESSID=aa4df8f4303c6fdbc333638a3d7fabd3
 >
 >So I have discovered!

Would mod_rewrite get round this?

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2003 3:22 pm
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"Steve Josephs" <webmaster.TakeThisOut@finger.anandalucia.com> wrote in message
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 > On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:37:16 +0100, "Charles Sweeney"
 > <me.TakeThisOut@charlessweeney.com> wrote:
 >
  > >"Steve Josephs" <webmaster.TakeThisOut@finger.anandalucia.com> wrote in message
  > >news:5mp6jvkq3h7nbp5eu299oeu658i254h3jp@4ax.com...
   > >> I have a site that badly needs an update. I want to go to a database
   > >> driven design (PHP/MySQL) but the site has a pagerank of 4 which I
   > >> don't want to jeopardise. I'm thinking of leaving the main index.htm
   > >> and adding index.php and waiting to see how the SE's pick up on the
   > >> new stuff. Any thoughts on this?
  > >
  > >Watch out if you are passing a session ID with the URL.
  > >
  > >Google does not like this:
  > >
 >
 >http://sellyourhouseforfree.com/listing.php?id=1757&PHPSESSID=aa4df8f4303c6
fdbc333638a3d7fabd3
  > >
  > >So I have discovered!
 >
 > Would mod_rewrite get round this?
 >

Partially.
mod_rewrite will get around the "?id=1757"
it will then become <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://sellyourhouseforfree.com/listing/id/1757/" target="_blank">http://sellyourhouseforfree.com/listing/id/1757/</a>

The remainder of the URL is a session ID. You can pass a cookie to get past
that. The thing about passing the Session ID in the URL is that it doesn't
matter if they accept cookies or not.
My guess is that you can count on the majority of users to accept a site's
cookies. Most people who bitch about cookies really don't like 3rd party
cookies, but accept the cookies for the site they're on.



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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2003 3:31 pm
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On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:37:16 +0100, "Charles Sweeney"
<me RemoveThis @charlessweeney.com> wrote:

 >"Steve Josephs" <webmaster RemoveThis @finger.anandalucia.com> wrote in message
 >news:5mp6jvkq3h7nbp5eu299oeu658i254h3jp@4ax.com...
  >> I have a site that badly needs an update. I want to go to a database
  >> driven design (PHP/MySQL) but the site has a pagerank of 4 which I
  >> don't want to jeopardise. I'm thinking of leaving the main index.htm
  >> and adding index.php and waiting to see how the SE's pick up on the
  >> new stuff. Any thoughts on this?
 >

Thanks all for the thoughts on this. The existing content I don't have
a problem with. The first part of the new stuff will be a local
directory using PHPlinks which is were the sessions come in.

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2003 4:57 pm
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On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 07:43:51 -0400, "EightNineThree"
<eightninethree RemoveThis @REMOVEeightninethree.com> wrote:

 >
 >"Steve Josephs" <webmaster RemoveThis @finger.anandalucia.com> wrote in message
 >news:8oi9jv4frvu2vembbbohjvb0nbb63di9f7@4ax.com...
  >> On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:37:16 +0100, "Charles Sweeney"
  >> <me RemoveThis @charlessweeney.com> wrote:
  >>
   >> >"Steve Josephs" <webmaster RemoveThis @finger.anandalucia.com> wrote in message
   >> >news:5mp6jvkq3h7nbp5eu299oeu658i254h3jp@4ax.com...
   >> >> I have a site that badly needs an update. I want to go to a database
   >> >> driven design (PHP/MySQL) but the site has a pagerank of 4 which I
   >> >> don't want to jeopardise. I'm thinking of leaving the main index.htm
   >> >> and adding index.php and waiting to see how the SE's pick up on the
   >> >> new stuff. Any thoughts on this?
   >> >
   >> >Watch out if you are passing a session ID with the URL.
   >> >
   >> >Google does not like this:
   >> >
  >>
  >>http://sellyourhouseforfree.com/listing.php?id=1757&PHPSESSID=aa4df8f4303c6
 >fdbc333638a3d7fabd3
   >> >
   >> >So I have discovered!
  >>
  >> Would mod_rewrite get round this?
  >>
 >
 >Partially.
 >mod_rewrite will get around the "?id=1757"
<font color=purple> >it will then become <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://sellyourhouseforfree.com/listing/id/1757/</font" target="_blank">http://sellyourhouseforfree.com/listing/id/1757/</font</a>>
 >
 >The remainder of the URL is a session ID. You can pass a cookie to get past
 >that. The thing about passing the Session ID in the URL is that it doesn't
 >matter if they accept cookies or not.
 >My guess is that you can count on the majority of users to accept a site's
 >cookies. Most people who bitch about cookies really don't like 3rd party
 >cookies, but accept the cookies for the site they're on.

I seem to remember reading somewhere that Google chokes on the URL if
there are more than one "=". But then I'll probably have to move
servers to get mod_rewrite installed anyway.

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