DNS

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:12:44 +1200, "Bill Logan" <blogan DeleteThis @clear.net.nz>
wrote:

 >
 >"Andy T" <andy DeleteThis @westmidland-internet.co.uk> wrote in message
 >news:v8rkkvofbl4pg83h4kfdgm7prs7ceh8871@4ax.com...
  >> hi
  >>
  >> I have a bit of a dilema.
  >>
  >> The company who hosts my site has changed the IP address that points
  >> to their name servers.
  >>
  >> Now my domain host has the corect name allocated BUt somewhere it must
  >> store the Ip allocated to that address also as it it still wrong.
  >>
  >> what I need to know is how to get the IP allocated to a name server
  >> altered...............if all this makes sense.
  >>
 >Assuming you use your hosts name servers for your domain?


MMmm perhaps. I am getting very confused about what I do do at
present :


First I did not register the domain. I do have access to UKreg to
.....Modify Name Servers for: dcracing.co.uk
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Primary Name Server:
ns3.mywebworx.com (No IP Address)

Secondary Name Server:
ns4.mywebworx.com (No IP Address)

which used to point to............69.61.24.8
and 69.61.24.9

BUT now has to change to

.. ns3.mywebworx.com has to change to 69.6124.8
..
and n4.mywebworx.com has to change to 69.61.24.9

But as UKreg will only accept the names and not IP I am stuck.




 >Most domain name records, (at your registrar), record only the name servers
 >by name, i.e. ns1.nameserver.com . If your registrar is one who also
 >requires the IP# then you will need to log into your registrars client
 >control panel and change the IP# that points to the name servers.

If thats Ukreg

Registrant's Agent:
Fasthosts Internet Limited [Tag = FASTHOSTS]
URL: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.fasthosts.co.uk" target="_blank">http://www.fasthosts.co.uk</a>



Then it will NOT accept and IP for a name server
 >
 >As far as the IP# of the domain name server being allocated - that is
 >something your host has done and, assuming your host also owns the domain to
 >which the dns belong then your host is the only one who can change the IP#
 >within the dns zone file.



What has happended is that the hosting company for my site has changed
the Ip relating to the name servers.

So....ns3.mywebworx.com was 69.61.24.8 but now is....

Regards Andy T



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On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:12:44 +1200, "Bill Logan" <blogan.DeleteThis@clear.net.nz>
wrote:


 >
 >As far as the IP# of the domain name server being allocated - that is
 >something your host has done and, assuming your host also owns the domain to
 >which the dns belong then your host is the only one who can change the IP#
 >within the dns zone file.


Update............


If I do a whois on

dcracing.co.uk


It now shows the correct IP address for the HOST but I still can not
see the web site using <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.dcracing.co.uk" target="_blank">www.dcracing.co.uk</a> in a browser. How long does
it take to propogate around the world so I can see the web site
again??

OR is there something I am still missing!??

thanks in advance.



Regards Andy T



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"Andy T" <andy.DeleteThis@westmidland-internet.co.uk> wrote in message
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 > Update............
 >
 >
 > If I do a whois on
 >
 > dcracing.co.uk
 >
 >
 > It now shows the correct IP address for the HOST but I still can not
 > see the web site using <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.dcracing.co.uk" target="_blank">www.dcracing.co.uk</a> in a browser. How long does
 > it take to propogate around the world so I can see the web site
 > again??
 >
 > OR is there something I am still missing!??
 >
 > thanks in advance.
 >
 >
 >
 > Regards Andy T

Most people can see their own site within a day or two after changing the
DNS settings. Full propagation takes about a week.
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On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 19:09:37 GMT, "Red E. Kilowatt"
<rekilowatt.RemoveThis@aww-faq.org> wrote:

 >"Andy T" <andy.RemoveThis@westmidland-internet.co.uk> wrote in message
 >news:jlbnkvk79nt6dji96n4b46fuqcnr728cbk@4ax.com
  >> Update............
  >>
  >>
  >> If I do a whois on
  >>
  >> dcracing.co.uk
  >>
  >>
  >> It now shows the correct IP address for the HOST but I still can not
  >> see the web site using <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.dcracing.co.uk" target="_blank">www.dcracing.co.uk</a> in a browser. How long does
  >> it take to propogate around the world so I can see the web site
  >> again??
  >>
  >> OR is there something I am still missing!??
  >>
  >> thanks in advance.
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> Regards Andy T
 >
 >Most people can see their own site within a day or two after changing the
 >DNS settings. Full propagation takes about a week.

thanks for the reply. A week is pathetic though surely when an email
takes seconds.........why the wait??

Also I have not really changed my/the DNS setting but my host has
acquired new ones and the old name servers pointed to the wrong
address when I did a whois on dcracing.co.uk.

thanks again for your time
Regards Andy T



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"Andy T" <andy.TakeThisOut@westmidland-internet.co.uk> wrote in message
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 > On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 19:09:37 GMT, "Red E. Kilowatt"
 > <rekilowatt.TakeThisOut@aww-faq.org> wrote:
 >
  >> "Andy T" <andy.TakeThisOut@westmidland-internet.co.uk> wrote in message
  >> news:jlbnkvk79nt6dji96n4b46fuqcnr728cbk@4ax.com
   >>> Update............
   >>>
   >>>
   >>> If I do a whois on
   >>>
   >>> dcracing.co.uk
   >>>
   >>>
   >>> It now shows the correct IP address for the HOST but I still can
   >>> not see the web site using <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.dcracing.co.uk" target="_blank">www.dcracing.co.uk</a> in a browser. How
   >>> long does it take to propogate around the world so I can see the
   >>> web site again??
   >>>
   >>> OR is there something I am still missing!??
   >>>
   >>> thanks in advance.
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>> Regards Andy T
  >>
  >> Most people can see their own site within a day or two after
  >> changing the DNS settings. Full propagation takes about a week.
 >
 > thanks for the reply. A week is pathetic though surely when an email
 > takes seconds.........why the wait??

Some DNS servers just don't update very often. You asked about world-wide.

If I didn't see the effects of a change I made within two days. I'd be
looking for some other reason why it's not working.

i.e.
Your ISP may be cacheing pages. I think if you hold down the shift key and
hit refresh it will try to fetch the site again.

Your host may not have configured the zone file* correctly.

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A zone file is a small set of instructions for resolving specified Internet
domain names to the appropriate number form of an Internet Protocol address
(an IP address). These instructions are ordinarily quite simple and reside
in a file on the server that administers a site.

 >
 > Also I have not really changed my/the DNS setting but my host has
 > acquired new ones and the old name servers pointed to the wrong
 > address when I did a whois on dcracing.co.uk.

It has the same effect then.
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On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 19:47:16 GMT, "Red E. Kilowatt"
<rekilowatt.TakeThisOut@aww-faq.org> wrote:


   >>> Most people can see their own site within a day or two after
   >>> changing the DNS settings. Full propagation takes about a week.
  >>
  >> thanks for the reply. A week is pathetic though surely when an email
  >> takes seconds.........why the wait??
 >
 >Some DNS servers just don't update very often. You asked about world-wide.
 >
 >If I didn't see the effects of a change I made within two days. I'd be
 >looking for some other reason why it's not working.

Ok perhaps I should just ask .....can any of you kind people out there
see. <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.dcracing.co.uk" target="_blank">www.dcracing.co.uk</a>

<grin>

Now is that easier?? <smile>

Regards Andy T



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"Red E. Kilowatt" <rekilowatt RemoveThis @aww-faq.org> wrote in message
news:8PO2b.4756$IJ6.443632@twister.socal.rr.com...
 > "Andy T" <andy RemoveThis @westmidland-internet.co.uk> wrote in message
 > news:n5dnkvoo48s3ifo46ac5k1aug0ossttc6h@4ax.com
  > > On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 19:09:37 GMT, "Red E. Kilowatt"
  > > <rekilowatt RemoveThis @aww-faq.org> wrote:
  > >
   > >> "Andy T" <andy RemoveThis @westmidland-internet.co.uk> wrote in message
   > >> news:jlbnkvk79nt6dji96n4b46fuqcnr728cbk@4ax.com
   > >>> Update............
   > >>>
   > >>>
   > >>> If I do a whois on
   > >>>
   > >>> dcracing.co.uk
   > >>>
   > >>>
   > >>> It now shows the correct IP address for the HOST but I still can
   > >>> not see the web site using <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.dcracing.co.uk" target="_blank">www.dcracing.co.uk</a> in a browser. How
   > >>> long does it take to propogate around the world so I can see the
   > >>> web site again??
   > >>>
   > >>> OR is there something I am still missing!??
   > >>>
   > >>> thanks in advance.
   > >>>
   > >>>
   > >>>
   > >>> Regards Andy T
   > >>
   > >> Most people can see their own site within a day or two after
   > >> changing the DNS settings. Full propagation takes about a week.
  > >
  > > thanks for the reply. A week is pathetic though surely when an email
  > > takes seconds.........why the wait??
 >
 > Some DNS servers just don't update very often. You asked about world-wide.
 >
 > If I didn't see the effects of a change I made within two days. I'd be
 > looking for some other reason why it's not working.
 >
 > i.e.
 > Your ISP may be cacheing pages. I think if you hold down the shift key and
 > hit refresh it will try to fetch the site again.
 >
 > Your host may not have configured the zone file* correctly.
 >
 >
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 > A zone file is a small set of instructions for resolving specified
Internet
 > domain names to the appropriate number form of an Internet Protocol
address
 > (an IP address). These instructions are ordinarily quite simple and reside
 > in a file on the server that administers a site.
 >
To be more accurate the zone file is located on the dns that is authoitive
for the domain. That is where the action of resolving the IP# from the
domain name occur. In some cases that may be the same server as the host
server but more often not. Once the name has propagated any dns, including
ISP dns may have a 'copy' of the zone file if it has been requested for the
IP#. If it has not it will do a look up to the 'authoritative name server
for a copy of the zone file. In all cases except the authoritative server
the local dns may have an outdated copy of the zone file which is why
sometimes a site cannot be reached due to a visitors reliance on their ISPs
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