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JohnJ

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 5:52 pm
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Please confirm or correct my assumption.

The client (wedding planner) was told by a friend (photographer) "If you
link back to me we'll have reciprocal links improving our search engine
ranking. You need a "links" page on your site. It's vital to your search
engine rankings."

I told the client that I've already got the link on the gallery page (we're
using some of his pictures, so that's an valid credit), and "You don't need
a "Links" page. All the search engines want to know is who is linking to
your site [and how many are], they see the link no matter where it is on
your site. So we're good there, if he places your link on his site."

This seems reasonable to me, but it would be better to tell the client I
have the consensus of the most prestigious Webmaster newsgroup on the
Internet confirming my assumptions, and she'll give me more credence.

Am I right or am I wrong? Be honest.

John

www.grandweddingday.com

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Karl Groves

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 5:52 pm
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"JohnJ" <goodnews RemoveThis @goodnews.can> wrote in
news:-tmdnV1W9YanK0rZnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d@comcast.com:

> Please confirm or correct my assumption.
>
> The client (wedding planner) was told by a friend (photographer) "If
> you link back to me we'll have reciprocal links improving our search
> engine ranking.

Yes. Anecdotal evidence suggests that there's some sort of correlation
between relevance of the links and the value returned. In other words, if
the two sites have nothing to do with one another, then the value of
linking one to the other is negated.

Naturally, it also only helps if the person linking to you has a good
PageRank.


> You need a "links" page on your site. It's vital to
> your search engine rankings."

Not correct.
In fact, you can be penalized by Google for having too many outbound links.


> I told the client that I've already got the link on the gallery page
> (we're using some of his pictures, so that's an valid credit), and
> "You don't need a "Links" page. All the search engines want to know
> is who is linking to your site [and how many are], they see the link
> no matter where it is on your site. So we're good there, if he places
> your link on his site."

Exactly





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dingbat

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:44 am
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On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:09:51 -0500, Karl Groves
<karl.TakeThisOut@NOSPAMkarlcore.com> wrote:

>Yes. Anecdotal evidence suggests that there's some sort of correlation
>between relevance of the links and the value returned. In other words, if
>the two sites have nothing to do with one another, then the value of
>linking one to the other is negated.

Ignored or actually negated ?

I wouldn't have a "links" page these days, unless it was a formalised
bibliography. However I do often have half-a-dozen relevant links in a
sidebar. Generally these are constant between pages, but they're chosen
as about half-a-dozen from a dozen overall for the site, and the set
selected does vary a bit between pages.
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Karl Groves

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:44 am
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Andy Dingley <dingbat DeleteThis @codesmiths.com> wrote in
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> On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:09:51 -0500, Karl Groves
> <karl DeleteThis @NOSPAMkarlcore.com> wrote:
>
>>Yes. Anecdotal evidence suggests that there's some sort of correlation
>>between relevance of the links and the value returned. In other words,
>>if the two sites have nothing to do with one another, then the value
>>of linking one to the other is negated.
>
> Ignored or actually negated ?

Ignored is probably more accurate, from what I understand.



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spamblocked1

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:25 am
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Fleeing from the madness of the jungle
Karl Groves <karl DeleteThis @NOSPAMkarlcore.com> stumbled into news:alt.www.webmaster
and said:

> "JohnJ" <goodnews DeleteThis @goodnews.can> wrote in
> news:-tmdnV1W9YanK0rZnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d@comcast.com:
>
>> Please confirm or correct my assumption.
>> ...

>
>> You need a "links" page on your site. It's vital to
>> your search engine rankings."
>
> Not correct.
> In fact, you can be penalized by Google for having too many outbound
> links.

I have empirical evidence that a web document that is largely links (and
link text) will be dropped from the s/e index. I built a site where the
'home page' was largely a site map. The entire site was indexed and
performed well enough on SERPs but the 'home page' wasn't even present.
However, the page was clearly spidered and the links followed.

This info is now ~ 12 months old - things could have changed.

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user94

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:35 am
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Karl Groves wrote

> In fact, you can be penalized by Google for having too many outbound
> links.

That's rich, Google's got millions of outbound links!

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Eric Jarvis

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:00 pm
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Karl Groves karl DeleteThis @NOSPAMkarlcore.com wrote in
<Xns9818D26685846karlkarlcorecom DeleteThis @216.196.97.136>:
> Andy Dingley <dingbat DeleteThis @codesmiths.com> wrote in
> news:a0kfd2hcibh017i6rkp5jgac1vf75dta3b@4ax.com:
>
> > On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:09:51 -0500, Karl Groves
> > <karl DeleteThis @NOSPAMkarlcore.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Yes. Anecdotal evidence suggests that there's some sort of correlation
> >>between relevance of the links and the value returned. In other words,
> >>if the two sites have nothing to do with one another, then the value
> >>of linking one to the other is negated.
> >
> > Ignored or actually negated ?
>
> Ignored is probably more accurate, from what I understand.
>

What happens is that irrelevant links, even if ignored in terms of page
rank, have the effect of making the page more "diffuse". What you need to
get lots of targeted visitors are pages that are concentrated on what a
visitor will get from that particular page. Though this doesn't only apply
to links, it applies to all extraneous content on a page.

The basic aspect of understanding search engines is to clearly grasp what
the search engine actually does from the POV of the user, rather than
looking at it only from the POV of the designer/developer. To get the best
results you need to work out what the page gives visitors, what terms the
people who want that will be searching for, and then build the page around
those terms. Whilst you don't want to simply have the same phrases
endlessly repeated, you also don't want too much that is entirely
unrelated. Not only does it confuse the search engines about the subject
of the page lessening the likelihood of genuinely interested referrals, it
also means that some people will arrive on the page when looking for
something else.

It's becoming ever more important to stay focused. These days most people
tend to use search engines to look for something specific. Semi-random
surfing isn't the norm anymore. You don't want people's reaction to your
site to be "Oh God not that again!"

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spamblocked1

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:56 pm
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Fleeing from the madness of the No thank you jungle
Charles Sweeney <me DeleteThis @charlessweeney.com> stumbled into
news:alt.www.webmaster
and said:

> Karl Groves wrote
>
>> In fact, you can be penalized by Google for having too many outbound
>> links.
>
> That's rich, Google's got millions of outbound links!

Have you seen their robots file?

http://google.com/robots.txt


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user94

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:57 pm
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William Tasso wrote

> Fleeing from the madness of the No thank you jungle
> Charles Sweeney <me DeleteThis @charlessweeney.com> stumbled into
> news:alt.www.webmaster
> and said:
>> That's rich, Google's got millions of outbound links!
>
> Have you seen their robots file?
>
> http://google.com/robots.txt

Interesting!

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:59 pm
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William Tasso wrote:

[Google]
> Have you seen their robots file?

Could you imagine the havoc it would cause if Googlebot start crawling
Google? Just think of the infinite loop it would create :>

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user94

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:59 pm
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Dylan Parry wrote

> William Tasso wrote:
>
> [Google]
>> Have you seen their robots file?
>
> Could you imagine the havoc it would cause if Googlebot start crawling
> Google? Just think of the infinite loop it would create :>

lol!

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