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sp_bhuisman

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2003 12:56 pm
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Submitted for your approval:

<body style="background-color:#ffffff;">

Not so hard, right? However, many designers neglect it because they assume
everyone is using white as their default background colour. Or they test
their pages on a desktop with a white background default and just forget
that they need it. With the rise of skins and themes for desktop operating
systems, the actual percentage of users with white as their default is
dropping.

So... **specify your background colour!**

I post this because recently, I found that one of the offenders was the new
design at hotscripts.com. Since I just submitted a new script there
(http://www.hotscripts.com/Detailed/23396.html - for anyone interested) I
had to browse their pages and noted that only the individual script pages
specified a background colour! The rest had all the white-bordered
graphics overlying grey, looking gross.

So I took a screenshot of the front page here:
http://www.greywyvern.com/img/misc/hotscripts.png and sent it to them using
their feedback form.

Today, (or last night?) the following bit was added to the body tag:
bgcolor="#FFFFFF" - and all was right with the world Wink

At least we know they read their feedback!

Grey

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2003 6:25 pm
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 > So... **specify your background colour!**

Yes, but not with attributes in the <body> tag (deprecated in HTML 4.0), =
but with CSS 'background-color'! Smile

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2003 6:35 pm
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sp_bhuisman RemoveThis @greywyvern.com_am wrote.::. >>
 > Submitted for your approval:
 >
 > <body style="background-color:#ffffff;">
 >
 > Not so hard, right? However, many designers neglect it because they assume
 > everyone is using white as their default background colour. Or they test
 > their pages on a desktop with a white background default and just forget
 > that they need it. With the rise of skins and themes for desktop operating
 > systems, the actual percentage of users with white as their default is
 > dropping.
 >
I omit that tag intentionally. It is up to
visitors to decide what their background is. If
they chose to use a non-white background then so
be it.

That's what choice is all about.


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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2003 6:35 pm
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On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:35:28 +0100, Stylewriter <nevermailme RemoveThis @all.pl> wrote:

 > sp_bhuisman RemoveThis @greywyvern.com_am wrote.::. >>
  >> Submitted for your approval:
  >>
  >> <body style="background-color:#ffffff;">
  >>
  >> Not so hard, right? However, many designers neglect it because they
  >> assume everyone is using white as their default background colour. Or
  >> they test their pages on a desktop with a white background default and
  >> just forget that they need it. With the rise of skins and themes for
  >> desktop operating systems, the actual percentage of users with white as
  >> their default is dropping.
  >>
 > I omit that tag intentionally. It is up to visitors to decide what their
 > background is. If they chose to use a non-white background then so be
 > it.
 >
 > That's what choice is all about.

That's all well and good, but I'm talking about when you design images and
other parts of your content from which the easy conclusion is reached that
one was designing with the *assumption* of a white background. For all
those sites where any background will do, this doesn't really apply.

Grey

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2003 7:20 pm
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GreyWyvern wrote:

 > Submitted for your approval:
 >
 > <body style="background-color:#ffffff;">
 >
 > Not so hard, right? However, many designers neglect it because they
 > assume everyone is using white as their default background colour. Or
 > they test their pages on a desktop with a white background default and
 > just forget that they need it. With the rise of skins and themes for
 > desktop operating systems, the actual percentage of users with white as
 > their default is dropping.
 >
 > So... **specify your background colour!**

Eh, not only that but *SPECIFY* all colours. Some people do specify
background colour but forget for example foreground... or link etc.
colours. Imagine someone with user options: black background and white
text coming on a page which only specifies a white background colour...

[snip]

John

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2003 9:10 pm
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GreyWyvern wrote:

 > Many designers neglect it because they assume
 > everyone is using white as their default background colour.

The W3C CSS Validator will warn when background colours are set without
foreground colours (and vice versa).

So - everyone validate!

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2003 9:10 pm
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"David Dorward" <dorward DeleteThis @yahoo.com> skrev i melding
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 > GreyWyvern wrote:
 >
  > > Many designers neglect it because they assume
  > > everyone is using white as their default background colour.
 >
 > The W3C CSS Validator will warn when background colours are set without
 > foreground colours (and vice versa).

If you don't want a background color, just use
background-color: transparent


 > So - everyone validate!

Already have with my latest website, and it's all fixed.

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