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Alain Quesnel

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:52 pm Post subject: Application pool idle timeout in IIS 5.1 Archived from groups: microsoft>public>inetserver>iis (more info?)

In IIS 6.0, I can set the Application pool idle timeout in the Application Pool properties window ("Shutdown worker processes after being idle for" n minutes, the default being 20 minutes). Is there a way to do something similar in IIS 5.1? -- Thank you, Alain Quesnel alainsansspam DeleteThis @logiquel.com www.logiquel.com >> Stay informed about: Application pool idle timeout in IIS 5.1

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:29 pm Post subject: Re: Application pool idle timeout in IIS 5.1 [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On Jan 14, 9:52 am, "Alain Quesnel" <alainsanss....TakeThisOut@logiquel.com> wrote: > In IIS 6.0, I can set the Application pool idle timeout in the Application > Pool properties window ("Shutdown worker processes after being idle for" n > minutes, the default being 20 minutes). Is there a way to do something > similar in IIS 5.1? > > -- > Thank you, > > Alain Quesnel > alainsanss....TakeThisOut@logiquel.com > > www.logiquel.com No. Application Pools is a feature introduced with IIS6 and does not exist in IIS5.1. Closest thing on XP Pro is COM+ Application Settings, but it does not work as you think. //David http://w3-4u.blogspot.com http://blogs.msdn.com/David.Wang // >> Stay informed about: Application pool idle timeout in IIS 5.1

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:19 pm Post subject: Re: Application pool idle timeout in IIS 5.1 [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Is there a way to prevent ASP/IIS 5 from "falling asleep" if there are no requests for a while? I use Miscrosoft Reporting Services. When I open the first report, it takes 30 to 60 seconds to come up. After that, it's much faster (a few seconds at the most). I'm trying to find a way to keep IIS and ASP ready to fire, so to speak. Thank you, Alain Quesnel alainsansspam.DeleteThis@logiquel.com www.logiquel.com "David Wang" <w3.4you.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message news:6515564b-dde7-4b4b-a676-11af77469639@e4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... On Jan 14, 9:52 am, "Alain Quesnel" <alainsanss....DeleteThis@logiquel.com> wrote: > In IIS 6.0, I can set the Application pool idle timeout in the Application > Pool properties window ("Shutdown worker processes after being idle for" n > minutes, the default being 20 minutes). Is there a way to do something > similar in IIS 5.1? > > -- > Thank you, > > Alain Quesnel > alainsanss....DeleteThis@logiquel.com > > www.logiquel.com No. Application Pools is a feature introduced with IIS6 and does not exist in IIS5.1. Closest thing on XP Pro is COM+ Application Settings, but it does not work as you think. //David http://w3-4u.blogspot.com http://blogs.msdn.com/David.Wang // >> Stay informed about: Application pool idle timeout in IIS 5.1

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:30 am Post subject: Re: Application pool idle timeout in IIS 5.1 [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Are you refering to ASP or ASP.Net -- because I don't think ASP clears its cache like that. //David http://w3-4u.blogspot.com http://blogs.msdn.com/David.Wang // On Jan 14, 6:19 pm, "Alain Quesnel" <alainsanss... DeleteThis @logiquel.com> wrote: > Is there a way to prevent ASP/IIS 5 from "falling asleep" if there are no > requests for a while? I use Miscrosoft Reporting Services. When I open the > first report, it takes 30 to 60 seconds to come up. After that, it's much > faster (a few seconds at the most). I'm trying to find a way to keep IIS and > ASP ready to fire, so to speak. > > Thank you, > > Alain Quesnel > alainsanss... DeleteThis @logiquel.com > > www.logiquel.com > > "David Wang" <w3.4... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:6515564b-dde7-4b4b-a676-11af77469639@e4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > On Jan 14, 9:52 am, "Alain Quesnel" <alainsanss... DeleteThis @logiquel.com> > wrote: > > > In IIS 6.0, I can set the Application pool idle timeout in the Application > > Pool properties window ("Shutdown worker processes after being idle for" n > > minutes, the default being 20 minutes). Is there a way to do something > > similar in IIS 5.1? > > > -- > > Thank you, > > > Alain Quesnel > > alainsanss... DeleteThis @logiquel.com > > >www.logiquel.com > > No. Application Pools is a feature introduced with IIS6 and does not > exist in IIS5.1. > > Closest thing on XP Pro is COM+ Application Settings, but it does not > work as you think. > > //Davidhttp://w3-4u.blogspot.comhttp://blogs.msdn.com/David.Wang > // >> Stay informed about: Application pool idle timeout in IIS 5.1

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:46 am Post subject: Re: Application pool idle timeout in IIS 5.1 [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

I use Reporting Services 2005 SP2 (which uses ASP.NET 2.0) on XP Pro SP2 (IIS 5.1). -- Thank you, Alain Quesnel alainsansspam.TakeThisOut@logiquel.com www.logiquel.com "David Wang" <w3.4you.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message news:960bf745-7e3b-48fa-a2a6-4a143792fd9f@e32g2000prn.googlegroups.com... Are you refering to ASP or ASP.Net -- because I don't think ASP clears its cache like that. //David http://w3-4u.blogspot.com http://blogs.msdn.com/David.Wang // On Jan 14, 6:19 pm, "Alain Quesnel" <alainsanss....TakeThisOut@logiquel.com> wrote: > Is there a way to prevent ASP/IIS 5 from "falling asleep" if there are no > requests for a while? I use Miscrosoft Reporting Services. When I open the > first report, it takes 30 to 60 seconds to come up. After that, it's much > faster (a few seconds at the most). I'm trying to find a way to keep IIS > and > ASP ready to fire, so to speak. > > Thank you, > > Alain Quesnel > alainsanss....TakeThisOut@logiquel.com > > www.logiquel.com > > "David Wang" <w3.4....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:6515564b-dde7-4b4b-a676-11af77469639@e4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > On Jan 14, 9:52 am, "Alain Quesnel" <alainsanss....TakeThisOut@logiquel.com> > wrote: > > > In IIS 6.0, I can set the Application pool idle timeout in the > > Application > > Pool properties window ("Shutdown worker processes after being idle for" > > n > > minutes, the default being 20 minutes). Is there a way to do something > > similar in IIS 5.1? > > > -- > > Thank you, > > > Alain Quesnel > > alainsanss....TakeThisOut@logiquel.com > > >www.logiquel.com > > No. Application Pools is a feature introduced with IIS6 and does not > exist in IIS5.1. > > Closest thing on XP Pro is COM+ Application Settings, but it does not > work as you think. > > //Davidhttp://w3-4u.blogspot.comhttp://blogs.msdn.com/David.Wang > // >> Stay informed about: Application pool idle timeout in IIS 5.1

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:21 am Post subject: Re: Application pool idle timeout in IIS 5.1 [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Thanks for clarifying. BTW, ASP and ASP.Net are totally different. The only thing they have in common are the letters "A", "S", and "P". I was not expecting 30-60 seconds startup from ASP -- that sounds much more consistent with the well-known CLR Startup time for ASP.Net. On IIS 5/5.1, and IIS6 in IIS5 Compatibility Mode, ASP.Net uses its own process model (similar but not exactly the same as IIS6 Application Pools), not COM+. Please search for <processModel> on the Web for the idleTimeout setting and change it in the machine.config of the version of the .Net framework versioned for your ASP.Net version. machine.config for ASP.Net 2.0 should be in: %windir%\Microsoft.Net\Framework\v2.0.50727\config\machine.config The reason that IIS "falls asleep" is because your website is not getting the traffic to warrant having the application in memory, so it shuts down the application to reclaim the memory for something else on the server. Of course, if you have a dedicated server for the application (which you've never told IIS about), you can certainly tell IIS to stop prematurely shutting down the application to reclaim memory because it's not going to be used for anything else. //David http://w3-4u.blogspot.com http://blogs.msdn.com/David.Wang // On Jan 15, 5:46 am, "Alain Quesnel" <alainsanss....TakeThisOut@logiquel.com> wrote: > I use Reporting Services 2005 SP2 (which uses ASP.NET 2.0) on XP Pro SP2 > (IIS 5.1). > > -- > Thank you, > > Alain Quesnel > alainsanss....TakeThisOut@logiquel.com > > www.logiquel.com > > "David Wang" <w3.4....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:960bf745-7e3b-48fa-a2a6-4a143792fd9f@e32g2000prn.googlegroups.com... > Are you refering to ASP or ASP.Net -- because I don't think ASP clears > its cache like that. > > //Davidhttp://w3-4u.blogspot.comhttp://blogs.msdn.com/David.Wang > // > > On Jan 14, 6:19 pm, "Alain Quesnel" <alainsanss....TakeThisOut@logiquel.com> > wrote: > > > > > Is there a way to prevent ASP/IIS 5 from "falling asleep" if there are no > > requests for a while? I use Miscrosoft Reporting Services. When I open the > > first report, it takes 30 to 60 seconds to come up. After that, it's much > > faster (a few seconds at the most). I'm trying to find a way to keep IIS > > and > > ASP ready to fire, so to speak. > > > Thank you, > > > Alain Quesnel > > alainsanss....TakeThisOut@logiquel.com > > >www.logiquel.com > > > "David Wang" <w3.4....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message > > >news:6515564b-dde7-4b4b-a676-11af77469639@e4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > > On Jan 14, 9:52 am, "Alain Quesnel" <alainsanss....TakeThisOut@logiquel.com> > > wrote: > > > > In IIS 6.0, I can set the Application pool idle timeout in the > > > Application > > > Pool properties window ("Shutdown worker processes after being idle for" > > > n > > > minutes, the default being 20 minutes). Is there a way to do something > > > similar in IIS 5.1? > > > > -- > > > Thank you, > > > > Alain Quesnel > > > alainsanss....TakeThisOut@logiquel.com > > > >www.logiquel.com > > > No. Application Pools is a feature introduced with IIS6 and does not > > exist in IIS5.1. > > > Closest thing on XP Pro is COM+ Application Settings, but it does not > > work as you think. > > > //Davidhttp://w3-4u.blogspot.comhttp://blogs.msdn.com/David.Wang > > //- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - >> Stay informed about: Application pool idle timeout in IIS 5.1

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:55 pm Post subject: Re: Application pool idle timeout in IIS 5.1 [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

I googled <processModel> and I found this page: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/7w2sway1(VS.71).aspx On it, the "idletimeout" attribute is described as follows: "Specifies the period of inactivity, in hr:min:sec string format, after which ASP.NET automatically ends the worker process. The default is Infinite." I'm not sure I understand. Does that mean the default setting will keep a worker process going for an infinite amount of time, regardless of its repeated usage i.e. hits on the website (or lack thereof)? I looked at my C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v2.0.50727\CONFIG\machine.config file. The only attribute I have under <processmodel> is autoConfig="true", which is not described on the web page I mentioned above. I added this attribute to the machine.config file. idleTimeout="16:00:00" I'll see if that works. -- Thank you, Alain Quesnel alainsansspam.DeleteThis@logiquel.com www.logiquel.com "David Wang" <w3.4you.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message news:debfe2a9-0e28-4cb0-8eeb-0b26dfd4f47a@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com... Thanks for clarifying. BTW, ASP and ASP.Net are totally different. The only thing they have in common are the letters "A", "S", and "P". I was not expecting 30-60 seconds startup from ASP -- that sounds much more consistent with the well-known CLR Startup time for ASP.Net. On IIS 5/5.1, and IIS6 in IIS5 Compatibility Mode, ASP.Net uses its own process model (similar but not exactly the same as IIS6 Application Pools), not COM+. Please search for <processModel> on the Web for the idleTimeout setting and change it in the machine.config of the version of the .Net framework versioned for your ASP.Net version. machine.config for ASP.Net 2.0 should be in: %windir%\Microsoft.Net\Framework\v2.0.50727\config\machine.config The reason that IIS "falls asleep" is because your website is not getting the traffic to warrant having the application in memory, so it shuts down the application to reclaim the memory for something else on the server. Of course, if you have a dedicated server for the application (which you've never told IIS about), you can certainly tell IIS to stop prematurely shutting down the application to reclaim memory because it's not going to be used for anything else. //David http://w3-4u.blogspot.com http://blogs.msdn.com/David.Wang // On Jan 15, 5:46 am, "Alain Quesnel" <alainsanss....DeleteThis@logiquel.com> wrote: > I use Reporting Services 2005 SP2 (which uses ASP.NET 2.0) on XP Pro SP2 > (IIS 5.1). > > -- > Thank you, > > Alain Quesnel > alainsanss....DeleteThis@logiquel.com > > www.logiquel.com > > "David Wang" <w3.4....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:960bf745-7e3b-48fa-a2a6-4a143792fd9f@e32g2000prn.googlegroups.com... > Are you refering to ASP or ASP.Net -- because I don't think ASP clears > its cache like that. > > //Davidhttp://w3-4u.blogspot.comhttp://blogs.msdn.com/David.Wang > // > > On Jan 14, 6:19 pm, "Alain Quesnel" <alainsanss....DeleteThis@logiquel.com> > wrote: > > > > > Is there a way to prevent ASP/IIS 5 from "falling asleep" if there are > > no > > requests for a while? I use Miscrosoft Reporting Services. When I open > > the > > first report, it takes 30 to 60 seconds to come up. After that, it's > > much > > faster (a few seconds at the most). I'm trying to find a way to keep IIS > > and > > ASP ready to fire, so to speak. > > > Thank you, > > > Alain Quesnel > > alainsanss....DeleteThis@logiquel.com > > >www.logiquel.com > > > "David Wang" <w3.4....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message > > >news:6515564b-dde7-4b4b-a676-11af77469639@e4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > > On Jan 14, 9:52 am, "Alain Quesnel" <alainsanss....DeleteThis@logiquel.com> > > wrote: > > > > In IIS 6.0, I can set the Application pool idle timeout in the > > > Application > > > Pool properties window ("Shutdown worker processes after being idle > > > for" > > > n > > > minutes, the default being 20 minutes). Is there a way to do something > > > similar in IIS 5.1? > > > > -- > > > Thank you, > > > > Alain Quesnel > > > alainsanss....DeleteThis@logiquel.com > > > >www.logiquel.com > > > No. Application Pools is a feature introduced with IIS6 and does not > > exist in IIS5.1. > > > Closest thing on XP Pro is COM+ Application Settings, but it does not > > work as you think. > > > //Davidhttp://w3-4u.blogspot.comhttp://blogs.msdn.com/David.Wang > > //- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - >> Stay informed about: Application pool idle timeout in IIS 5.1

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:00 am Post subject: Re: Application pool idle timeout in IIS 5.1 [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Salut Espen, The idleTimeout="23:59:00" in the machine.config file works fine in IIS 5.1 (on Windows XP Pro). I also scheduled a dummy report that runs every day at 4AM. Now, everytime I hit my Reporting Services webpage, I have no more delays whatsoever. If you're using IIS 6 (Windows 2003 Server), then you need to change the 20 minute value in the Application Pool properties window (see my first post in this thread). Alain Quesnel alainsansspam.TakeThisOut@logiquel.com www.logiquel.com ------------------------ Salut Alain, I came across your question about keeping IIS 5 awake and "ready to fire": http://objectmix.com/inetserver/330699-application-pool-idle-timeout-i...5-1-a.h I'm struggling with the same problem myself, but I see that you're over a month ahead of me. May I be so bold as to ask if you have found a solution yet. And if you care to share it.?? J Did adding idleTimeout="16:00:00" to the machine.config help? (Btw, in IIS 6 it seems "infinite" is a valid value.) Thanks for your time, Espen Sandall (located in Norway) mvh Espen --- Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail >> Stay informed about: Application pool idle timeout in IIS 5.1

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