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In article <MPG.19faae4d59ce78e29896b1.TakeThisOut@news.comcast.giganews.com>,
technohippie.TakeThisOut@myway.com says...
 > In article <bmqkj7$q802u$1@ID-122517.news.uni-berlin.de>,
 > maldito.TakeThisOut@webbasica.com says...
 > <snip>
 >
  > > 4- An universal article publisher .. kinda like a weblog .. but this time, i
  > > want my users to publish whole articles, separared in sections, and as
  > > preformated documents (with pics, css, etc)

Is this more of an example of what you want to do?
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"MALdito" <maldito.RemoveThis@webbasica.com> wrote in
news:bmqkj7$q802u$1@ID-122517.news.uni-berlin.de:

 > Hi guys
 >
 > I have a BIG site. With lots of documents, and lots of visits (big for
 > when I´m from anyway).
 > Since I´m "just" a designer, my site has been only html, css, tables
 > and SOME free perl scripts (and ssi). Now, the time has come, for me
 > to redesign my whole site .. my question is .. what scripts should I
 > use for my new site?
 >
 > This is what I need:
 >
 > 1- A Weblog (up until now I´ve been using greymatter .. but it is
 > really buggy)
 > 2- Banner rotation (showsell has been my choice)
 > 3- Form Mailer (nether-mail´s script has a bug, and now I´m a server
 > for spammers!)
 > 4- An universal article publisher .. kinda like a weblog .. but this
 > time, i want my users to publish whole articles, separared in
 > sections, and as preformated documents (with pics, css, etc)
 >
 > That for starters .. don´t hesitate to give *any* kind of suggestion

As David pointed out, there are lots of freebies out there to check out,
first. You may also want to consider having a content management system
custom-made for you, so that it works according to your needs, rather
than modifying your (or your site's) needs to a particular CMS package.

Keep in mind that I have a bias in that this is what I do for a living,
so there is a self-interest in my advice, but I've found that generally a
custom-built CMS system saves a webmaster a heckuva lot of time, given
that it is designed *specifically* for your site.

That is not to rule out the free stuff, naturally: Sometimes, they really
do meet exactly your needs, in which case, that's the smartest thing to
do.

When looking for custom CMS designers, you'll want to talk to people who
code in Perl, PHP, Python, ASP, etc, etc, depending on your server's
capabilities, and/or your own preferences.

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Carved in mystic runes upon the very living rock, the last words of
MALdito of alt.www.webmaster make plain:

 > This is what I need:
 >
 > 3- Form Mailer (nether-mail´s script has a bug, and now I´m a server
 > for spammers!)
 >
 > That for starters .. don´t hesitate to give *any* kind of suggestion

Well, I recommend Phorm for your form processing, but of course I'm biased!


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"Alan Little" <alan DeleteThis @n-o-s-p-a-m-phorm.com> wrote in message
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 > Well, I recommend Phorm for your form processing, but of course I'm
biased!
 >
 >
 > --
 > Alan Little
 > Phorm PHP Form Processor
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.phorm.com/</font" target="_blank">http://www.phorm.com/</font</a>>

And at least you state it!! How's that Phorm thingy doing anyway?
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MALdito wrote:

 > Hi guys
 >
 > I have a BIG site. With lots of documents, and lots of visits (big for when
 > I? from anyway).
 > Since I? "just" a designer, my site has been only html, css, tables and
 > SOME free perl scripts (and ssi). Now, the time has come, for me to redesign
 > my whole site .. my question is .. what scripts should I use for my new
 > site?
 >
 > This is what I need:
 >
 > 1- A Weblog (up until now I?e been using greymatter .. but it is really
 > buggy)
 > 2- Banner rotation (showsell has been my choice)
 > 3- Form Mailer (nether-mail? script has a bug, and now I? a server for
 > spammers!)
 > 4- An universal article publisher .. kinda like a weblog .. but this time, i
 > want my users to publish whole articles, separared in sections, and as
 > preformated documents (with pics, css, etc)

Sounds like someone needs a CMS (content management system). PHP-Nuke is
probably one of the most common CMSs. It is based on the server-side
language PHP (http://www.php.net) which is available on most *nix
servers and some Windows hosts. IMO this is a very good way to go,
especially as there are many PHP scripts for the other ones you need.
however, for a really really huge site java is possibly better.

Have a look at some of the ones at:
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.opensourcecms.com/" target="_blank">http://www.opensourcecms.com/</a>

Then tug along to
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.hotscripts.com/PHP/Scripts_and_Programs/Content_Management/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.hotscripts.com/PHP/Scripts_and_Programs/Content_Management/index.html</a>
and have a look at the some 330 PHP CMS scripts - while you're there
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On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 15:01:10 +0100 "Charles Sweeney"
<me DeleteThis @charlessweeney.com> broke off from drinking a cup of tea at to
write:

 >"Alan Little" <alan DeleteThis @n-o-s-p-a-m-phorm.com> wrote in message
 >news:Xns941862703B8A6alanphormcom@216.196.97.132...
 >
  >> Well, I recommend Phorm for your form processing, but of course I'm
 >biased!
  >>
  >>
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  >> Alan Little
  >> Phorm PHP Form Processor
<font color=green>  >> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.phorm.com/</font" target="_blank">http://www.phorm.com/</font</a>>
 >
 >And at least you state it!! How's that Phorm thingy doing anyway?

Can I comment on it?

I looked at the site, Alan, and thought this looks great, but it looks
too complicated for me.

Is Phorm just useful for emailing, or could it be used to capture
input into search forms, and echo them out to a file for later
analysis?

Matt

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Carved in mystic runes upon the very living rock, the last words of
Charles Sweeney of alt.www.webmaster make plain:

 > "Alan Little" <alan DeleteThis @n-o-s-p-a-m-phorm.com> wrote in message
 > news:Xns941862703B8A6alanphormcom@216.196.97.132...
 >
  >> Well, I recommend Phorm for your form processing, but of course I'm
 > biased!
  >>
  >>
 > And at least you state it!! How's that Phorm thingy doing anyway?

Not bad. I have 424 registered users, as well as 294 incomplete
registrations, where someone started to register, but then decided not
to.

I have no idea how many unregistered users I have; I've never come up
with a satisfactory way of estimating it.

The next release will be out before long. I'm actually cutting this
development cycle a bit short. I got about 2/3 through what I'd planned,
and came to a decision. I've been contemplating a major re-write, which
will involve dropping PHP3 support. So, the next release will be the last
one that will support PHP3, and Phorm will be a very different animal
internally after that.

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Carved in mystic runes upon the very living rock, the last words of Matt
Probert of alt.www.webmaster make plain:

 > On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 15:01:10 +0100 "Charles Sweeney"
 > <me.DeleteThis@charlessweeney.com> broke off from drinking a cup of tea at to
 > write:
 >
  >>"Alan Little" <alan.DeleteThis@n-o-s-p-a-m-phorm.com> wrote in message
  >>news:Xns941862703B8A6alanphormcom@216.196.97.132...
  >>
   >>> Well, I recommend Phorm for your form processing, but of course I'm
  >>biased!
   >>>
   >>>
  >>
  >>And at least you state it!! How's that Phorm thingy doing anyway?
 >
 > Can I comment on it?
 >
 > I looked at the site, Alan, and thought this looks great, but it looks
 > too complicated for me.

Did you take a look at the QuickStart document in the distro? The last
few releases I've been paying increasing attention to simplifying Phorm,
especially for new users, with the QuickStart document and generic
templates. I've really focused on this for the next release.
Interestingly a lot of that has involved simply re-organizing stuff that
already exists

 > Is Phorm just useful for emailing, or could it be used to capture
 > input into search forms, and echo them out to a file for later
 > analysis?

Phorm can log to a text file and/or MySQL database. Future developments
will include the ability to log to other database, and possibly other
file formats such as Excel and Word.

--
Alan Little
Phorm PHP Form Processor
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Yes .. i know about nukes .. but i didn´t want to use em cause they tend to
make sites less editable ..that would be my LAST resort ..

thanks david!


"David Venn-Brown" <davidvb.RemoveThis@notmydomain.com> escribió en el mensaje
news:mS4kb.344$7j6.17177@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
 > MALdito wrote:
 >
  > > Hi guys
  > >
  > > I have a BIG site. With lots of documents, and lots of visits (big for
when
  > > I? from anyway).
  > > Since I? "just" a designer, my site has been only html, css, tables and
  > > SOME free perl scripts (and ssi). Now, the time has come, for me to
redesign
  > > my whole site .. my question is .. what scripts should I use for my new
  > > site?
  > >
  > > This is what I need:
  > >
  > > 1- A Weblog (up until now I?e been using greymatter .. but it is really
  > > buggy)
  > > 2- Banner rotation (showsell has been my choice)
  > > 3- Form Mailer (nether-mail? script has a bug, and now I? a server for
  > > spammers!)
  > > 4- An universal article publisher .. kinda like a weblog .. but this
time, i
  > > want my users to publish whole articles, separared in sections, and as
  > > preformated documents (with pics, css, etc)
 >
 > Sounds like someone needs a CMS (content management system). PHP-Nuke is
 > probably one of the most common CMSs. It is based on the server-side
 > language PHP (http://www.php.net) which is available on most *nix
 > servers and some Windows hosts. IMO this is a very good way to go,
 > especially as there are many PHP scripts for the other ones you need.
 > however, for a really really huge site java is possibly better.
 >
 > Have a look at some of the ones at:
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.opensourcecms.com/</font" target="_blank">http://www.opensourcecms.com/</font</a>>
 >
 > Then tug along to
 >
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.hotscripts.com/PHP/Scripts_and_Programs/Content_Management/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.hotscripts.com/PHP/Scripts_and_Programs/Content_Management/index.html</a>
 > and have a look at the some 330 PHP CMS scripts - while you're there
 > have a look at the weblog scripts, form mail and banner rotation scripts.
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Yes Marc .. I agree that´s the best way to go .. although .. I don´t have
the money for it ... yet!

Some local programmers here are really cheap .. but the quality of their
code sucks big time!

My main business is as a designer and sometimes i find myself in a lot of
trouble trying to get a decent coder! let alone a good one!


thanks anyway..




"Marc Bissonnette" <dragnet.TakeThisOut@internalysis.com> escribió en el mensaje
news:Xns9418192A32299dragnetinternalysisc@206.172.150.13...
 > "MALdito" <maldito.TakeThisOut@webbasica.com> wrote in
 > news:bmqkj7$q802u$1@ID-122517.news.uni-berlin.de:
 >
  > > Hi guys
  > >
  > > I have a BIG site. With lots of documents, and lots of visits (big for
  > > when I´m from anyway).
  > > Since I´m "just" a designer, my site has been only html, css, tables
  > > and SOME free perl scripts (and ssi). Now, the time has come, for me
  > > to redesign my whole site .. my question is .. what scripts should I
  > > use for my new site?
  > >
  > > This is what I need:
  > >
  > > 1- A Weblog (up until now I´ve been using greymatter .. but it is
  > > really buggy)
  > > 2- Banner rotation (showsell has been my choice)
  > > 3- Form Mailer (nether-mail´s script has a bug, and now I´m a server
  > > for spammers!)
  > > 4- An universal article publisher .. kinda like a weblog .. but this
  > > time, i want my users to publish whole articles, separared in
  > > sections, and as preformated documents (with pics, css, etc)
  > >
  > > That for starters .. don´t hesitate to give *any* kind of suggestion
 >
 > As David pointed out, there are lots of freebies out there to check out,
 > first. You may also want to consider having a content management system
 > custom-made for you, so that it works according to your needs, rather
 > than modifying your (or your site's) needs to a particular CMS package.
 >
 > Keep in mind that I have a bias in that this is what I do for a living,
 > so there is a self-interest in my advice, but I've found that generally a
 > custom-built CMS system saves a webmaster a heckuva lot of time, given
 > that it is designed *specifically* for your site.
 >
 > That is not to rule out the free stuff, naturally: Sometimes, they really
 > do meet exactly your needs, in which case, that's the smartest thing to
 > do.
 >
 > When looking for custom CMS designers, you'll want to talk to people who
 > code in Perl, PHP, Python, ASP, etc, etc, depending on your server's
 > capabilities, and/or your own preferences.
 >
 > --
 > Marc Bissonnette
 > / Perl / CGI / Database / Dynamic Web Content Control /
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2 things about phorm:

1- Can i use it with shtml-files?

2- has the ability to collect whatever information (fields) i put in a form?
(that was what made nethermail so great!)

thanks for the info allan



"Alan Little" <alan RemoveThis @n-o-s-p-a-m-phorm.com> escribió en el mensaje
news:Xns9419A30043AF0alanphormcom@216.196.97.132...
 > Carved in mystic runes upon the very living rock, the last words of Matt
 > Probert of alt.www.webmaster make plain:
 >
  > > On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 15:01:10 +0100 "Charles Sweeney"
  > > <me RemoveThis @charlessweeney.com> broke off from drinking a cup of tea at to
  > > write:
  > >
   > >>"Alan Little" <alan RemoveThis @n-o-s-p-a-m-phorm.com> wrote in message
   > >>news:Xns941862703B8A6alanphormcom@216.196.97.132...
   > >>
   > >>> Well, I recommend Phorm for your form processing, but of course I'm
   > >>biased!
   > >>>
   > >>>
   > >>
   > >>And at least you state it!! How's that Phorm thingy doing anyway?
  > >
  > > Can I comment on it?
  > >
  > > I looked at the site, Alan, and thought this looks great, but it looks
  > > too complicated for me.
 >
 > Did you take a look at the QuickStart document in the distro? The last
 > few releases I've been paying increasing attention to simplifying Phorm,
 > especially for new users, with the QuickStart document and generic
 > templates. I've really focused on this for the next release.
 > Interestingly a lot of that has involved simply re-organizing stuff that
 > already exists
 >
  > > Is Phorm just useful for emailing, or could it be used to capture
  > > input into search forms, and echo them out to a file for later
  > > analysis?
 >
 > Phorm can log to a text file and/or MySQL database. Future developments
 > will include the ability to log to other database, and possibly other
 > file formats such as Excel and Word.
 >
 > --
 > Alan Little
 > Phorm PHP Form Processor
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"Alan Little" <alan RemoveThis @n-o-s-p-a-m-phorm.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9419A24F1A3DCalanphormcom@216.196.97.132...
 > Carved in mystic runes upon the very living rock, the last words of
 > Charles Sweeney of alt.www.webmaster make plain:
 >
  > > "Alan Little" <alan RemoveThis @n-o-s-p-a-m-phorm.com> wrote in message
  > > news:Xns941862703B8A6alanphormcom@216.196.97.132...
  > >
   > >> Well, I recommend Phorm for your form processing, but of course I'm
  > > biased!
   > >>
   > >>
  > > And at least you state it!! How's that Phorm thingy doing anyway?
 >
 > Not bad. I have 424 registered users, as well as 294 incomplete
 > registrations, where someone started to register, but then decided not
 > to.
 >
 > I have no idea how many unregistered users I have; I've never come up
 > with a satisfactory way of estimating it.

Nice one, good luck.
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