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abracad_1999

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 4:31 pm
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I am planning a small internet business and would like to accept
credit card payments through my site.

I am considering using PayPal in this respect because it is a well
known and trudted brand which gives reassurance to the buyer. However,
I believe that to pay by PayPal buyers must first set up an account
with PayPal.

Is this likely to be a deterrent?

And if so are there any alternative credit card acceptance services
that are wll-known and trusted and charge on a percentage of
transaction (not fixed-fee) basis?

Thanks for any advice on this

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2004 5:01 am
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When I was looking for a service like this I remember 2checkout.com
being a good deal

abracad wrote:
 > I am planning a small internet business and would like to accept
 > credit card payments through my site.
 >
 > I am considering using PayPal in this respect because it is a well
 > known and trudted brand which gives reassurance to the buyer. However,
 > I believe that to pay by PayPal buyers must first set up an account
 > with PayPal.
 >
 > Is this likely to be a deterrent?
 >
 > And if so are there any alternative credit card acceptance services
 > that are wll-known and trusted and charge on a percentage of
 > transaction (not fixed-fee) basis?
 >
 > Thanks for any advice on this<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2004 7:16 pm
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Check out <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://propay.com/" target="_blank">http://propay.com/</a>
Small set up and % of transaction.

Good luck,
Dave
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.FreeWholesaleCatalog.com" target="_blank">http://www.FreeWholesaleCatalog.com</a>


 > I am planning a small internet business and would like to accept
 > credit card payments through my site.
 >
 > I am considering using PayPal in this respect because it is a well
 > known and trudted brand which gives reassurance to the buyer. However,
 > I believe that to pay by PayPal buyers must first set up an account
 > with PayPal.
 >
 > Is this likely to be a deterrent?
 >
 > And if so are there any alternative credit card acceptance services
 > that are wll-known and trusted and charge on a percentage of
 > transaction (not fixed-fee) basis?
 >
 > Thanks for any advice on this<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2004 8:17 pm
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We ran, screaming, from 2checkout. Their servers were DoS'd for several
months in a row. They inadvertantly sucked over $2000 out of our bank
account, and then put it back in later on...no explanation or apology. Tech
support was horrible and I was banned from their forums for asking a
question that the moderator assumed was asked before (the question wasn't
hostile in any way and he was mistaken about it being asked before).

--Tina

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"Thaddeus Cowan Thompson" <newsgroups RemoveThis @REMOVE-THIS-tgct.net> wrote in message
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 > When I was looking for a service like this I remember 2checkout.com
 > being a good deal
 >
 > abracad wrote:
  > > I am planning a small internet business and would like to accept
  > > credit card payments through my site.
  > >
  > > I am considering using PayPal in this respect because it is a well
  > > known and trudted brand which gives reassurance to the buyer. However,
  > > I believe that to pay by PayPal buyers must first set up an account
  > > with PayPal.
  > >
  > > Is this likely to be a deterrent?
  > >
  > > And if so are there any alternative credit card acceptance services
  > > that are wll-known and trusted and charge on a percentage of
  > > transaction (not fixed-fee) basis?
  > >
  > > Thanks for any advice on this<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 9:35 am
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We have tried a number of 3rd party billing companies, they all closed
down after some time. The reasons they all gave us was that - certain
merchant had excessive chargebacks - thus the banks held up all the
funds!

So we decided to get our own merchant account (that is right, with our
own billing descriptor), the rate is a good 3.5%, we got it from
paymentconsulting.biz, so far, we don't have any problems.

Thaddeus Cowan Thompson <newsgroups DeleteThis @REMOVE-THIS-tgct.net> wrote in message news:<wHlUb.381$M92.98855@news.uswest.net>...
 > When I was looking for a service like this I remember 2checkout.com
 > being a good deal
 >
 > abracad wrote:
  > > I am planning a small internet business and would like to accept
  > > credit card payments through my site.
  > >
  > > I am considering using PayPal in this respect because it is a well
  > > known and trudted brand which gives reassurance to the buyer. However,
  > > I believe that to pay by PayPal buyers must first set up an account
  > > with PayPal.
  > >
  > > Is this likely to be a deterrent?
  > >
  > > And if so are there any alternative credit card acceptance services
  > > that are wll-known and trusted and charge on a percentage of
  > > transaction (not fixed-fee) basis?
  > >
  > > Thanks for any advice on this<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 1:15 pm
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I use Ikobo to accept credit card payments, they are similar to
payPal, but better, they give you Visa Debit card to withdraw your
money on any ATM machine in the world. Everything works, funds
transfer is instant. I am using it for a few months and so far they
are grait! You can also send money to anyone in the world. It is the
most inespensive method I have found. They offers easy integration
into any website, auction, or email.

peiius.RemoveThis@yahoo.com (Nice Guy) wrote in message news:<c62f9606.0402060635.51f00b85.RemoveThis@posting.google.com>...
 > We have tried a number of 3rd party billing companies, they all closed
 > down after some time. The reasons they all gave us was that - certain
 > merchant had excessive chargebacks - thus the banks held up all the
 > funds!
 >
 > So we decided to get our own merchant account (that is right, with our
 > own billing descriptor), the rate is a good 3.5%, we got it from
 > paymentconsulting.biz, so far, we don't have any problems.
 >
 > Thaddeus Cowan Thompson <newsgroups.RemoveThis@REMOVE-THIS-tgct.net> wrote in message news:<wHlUb.381$M92.98855@news.uswest.net>...
  > > When I was looking for a service like this I remember 2checkout.com
  > > being a good deal
  > >
  > > abracad wrote:
   > > > I am planning a small internet business and would like to accept
   > > > credit card payments through my site.
   > > >
   > > > I am considering using PayPal in this respect because it is a well
   > > > known and trudted brand which gives reassurance to the buyer. However,
   > > > I believe that to pay by PayPal buyers must first set up an account
   > > > with PayPal.
   > > >
   > > > Is this likely to be a deterrent?
   > > >
   > > > And if so are there any alternative credit card acceptance services
   > > > that are wll-known and trusted and charge on a percentage of
   > > > transaction (not fixed-fee) basis?
   > > >
   > > > Thanks for any advice on this<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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davidjameshall

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 7:37 pm
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We have customers who have found that using PayPal was off putting to
customers, when they sign up for there own merchant account they have more
luck making online sales. Its a good place to start, and theres no harm
offering multiple checkout options in my opinion.

However there are a lot of PayPal users out there.

David Hall
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.productiveweb.co.uk" target="_blank">http://www.productiveweb.co.uk</a>

"abracad" <abracad_1999.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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 > I am planning a small internet business and would like to accept
 > credit card payments through my site.
 >
 > I am considering using PayPal in this respect because it is a well
 > known and trudted brand which gives reassurance to the buyer. However,
 > I believe that to pay by PayPal buyers must first set up an account
 > with PayPal.
 >
 > Is this likely to be a deterrent?
 >
 > And if so are there any alternative credit card acceptance services
 > that are wll-known and trusted and charge on a percentage of
 > transaction (not fixed-fee) basis?
 >
 > Thanks for any advice on this<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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tina

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 3:25 am
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We give our customers a choice...Paypal or regular credit card purchase, via
a regular credit card processor. Although we process far more through the
merchant account, we still process around $9000 a month via Paypal.
Obviously, quite a few customers prefer Paypal...and shouldn't be written
off.

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"David Hall" <davidjameshall.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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 > We have customers who have found that using PayPal was off putting to
 > customers, when they sign up for there own merchant account they have more
 > luck making online sales. Its a good place to start, and theres no harm
 > offering multiple checkout options in my opinion.
 >
 > However there are a lot of PayPal users out there.
 >
 > David Hall
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.productiveweb.co.uk</font" target="_blank">http://www.productiveweb.co.uk</font</a>>
 >
 > "abracad" <abracad_1999.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
 > news:e14ddf84.0402041331.5e0ee771@posting.google.com...
  > > I am planning a small internet business and would like to accept
  > > credit card payments through my site.
  > >
  > > I am considering using PayPal in this respect because it is a well
  > > known and trudted brand which gives reassurance to the buyer. However,
  > > I believe that to pay by PayPal buyers must first set up an account
  > > with PayPal.
  > >
  > > Is this likely to be a deterrent?
  > >
  > > And if so are there any alternative credit card acceptance services
  > > that are wll-known and trusted and charge on a percentage of
  > > transaction (not fixed-fee) basis?
  > >
  > > Thanks for any advice on this
 >
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2004 6:17 am
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The problem is, if you get your own merchant account, it costs more, or at
least as much as PayPal. I have a few sources available, if you want to
investigate others, but I have never had a problem using Paypal. Only had 2
customers ask for alternate service, and one was because Paypal did not
recognize his South African bank. That is a different issue, though. At my site
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.howtofreelance.com" target="_blank">http://www.howtofreelance.com</a> it is integrated into it, and you don't even know
its through Paypal until you are asked to sign in or enter credit card info.
You can go there and try it. If you want more info on other services, just
contact me from there.

<previously stated>
 >We have customers who have found that using PayPal was off putting to
 >customers, when they sign up for there own merchant account they have more
 >luck making online sales. Its a good place to start, and theres no harm
 >offering multiple checkout options in my opinion.
 >
 >However there are a lot of PayPal users out there.
 >
 >David Hall
 >http://www.productiveweb.co.uk
 >
 >"abracad" <abracad_1999.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
 >news:e14ddf84.0402041331.5e0ee771@posting.google.com...
  >> I am planning a small internet business and would like to accept
  >> credit card payments through my site.
  >>
  >> I am considering using PayPal in this respect because it is a well
  >> known and trudted brand which gives reassurance to the buyer. However,
  >> I believe that to pay by PayPal buyers must first set up an account
  >> with PayPal.
  >>
  >> Is this likely to be a deterrent?
  >>
  >> And if so are there any alternative credit card acceptance services
  >> that are wll-known and trusted and charge on a percentage of
  >> transaction (not fixed-fee) basis?
  >>
  >> Thanks for any advice on this<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2004 7:01 am
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<quoted from abender DeleteThis @post.com (Agata)>
 >
 >I use Ikobo to accept credit card payments, they are similar to
 >payPal, but better, they give you Visa Debit card to withdraw your
 >money on any ATM machine in the world.

I have a PayPal merchant account, and have a Mastercard that I use to spend the
money in that account, or use in any ATM. I just use it as a credit card, cuz I
don't remember my PIN lol. So PayPal offers the same thing, PLUS, I get a
percentage return when I use the card. Every time I spend my PayPal money, I
get cashback.


 >Everything works, funds
 >transfer is instant. I am using it for a few months and so far they
 >are grait! You can also send money to anyone in the world. It is the
 >most inespensive method I have found. They offers easy integration
 >into any website, auction, or email.
 >

Costs:
Ikobo 2.99%+.29 and 5% cash back on all buyer's purchases
Paypal 2.2% + $0.30 USD to 2.9% + $0.30 USD plus 1% if from another country
plus Cashback when using your Paypal card.

Otherwise looks about the same, but there is another consideration. There are
so many people that already have Paypal, that it is easy for them to pay. If
you ask people to sign up with Ikobo, if they haven't heard of them before,
they might balk.

I'm not saying Paypal is better, but it's just like Walmart... people complain,
but they still shop there lol. It's the biggest gorilla, so its just easier to
use it.

<snipped from peiius DeleteThis @yahoo.com (Nice Guy)>...
  >> We have tried a number of 3rd party billing companies, they all closed
  >> down after some time. The reasons they all gave us was that - certain
  >> merchant had excessive chargebacks - thus the banks held up all the
  >> funds!

Not only that, but when you are head to head with someone established in the
field, like Paypal, most upstarts won't make it. Even CitiBank (yes, one of the
biggest corporations in the world) failed at their attempt with
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.c2it.com" target="_blank">http://www.c2it.com</a> for online purchases.

  >>
  >> So we decided to get our own merchant account (that is right, with our
  >> own billing descriptor), the rate is a good 3.5%, we got it from
  >> paymentconsulting.biz, so far, we don't have any problems.

The question on merchant accounts is how much do they charge you monthly? At
3.5 a $100 purchase would be 3.50 fee, with ikobo it would be 3.28 less 5%
(3.12) and with paypal it would be 2.50 to 3.20, so it isn't high finance lol.
Now, if they charge you monthly (many merchant processors charge as much as
$10-15) then there is a difference. Of course, if you are paying monthly
charges, they usually give you lower rates. So if you have a high volume, that
works great. Did you have to pay for the script to be able to use your merchant
account? If so, how much did it cost?

The other consideration, is what do they charge you for chargebacks? Most
merchant accounts charge $10-20 for administrative charge if someone causes a
chargeback, and that is even if you defend yourself successfully or the
chargeback is wrong! You might want to look at the fine print to see what they
charge you. Also, they usually require a contract for a year. If you end your
service before the year is up, you still pay for the amount of the contract.

If you are not a successful site yet, it may not pay to get a merchant account
right away. Maybe use a service like paypal or ikobo, and when you make it
good, look around at merchant accounts. This isn't a startup option IMHO.

Lastly, if you do set up a merchant account, I suggest setting up a special
bank account to have the funds deposited into away from your regular business
funds. If you get a purchase of, say, $250, and the purchase gets charged
back, the credit card processor will take that money out of your account plus
the administrative fee. It is conceivable that they will dig into your regular
account to take back the chargeback and fees, until the transaction is cleared.
Otherwise, the money is gone.

It is just safer to do it with a special account, and only take out enough
money to leave the last 30 days' purchases covered for charge backs. Also, if
there is any dispute with your merchant account, they can take whatever they
are entitled to out of your account without you knowing. The chargeback is
automatic, and they don't tell you until after it has happened. If you counted
on that money in your checking account, you could bounce a check that way.

<minimally stated by Thaddeus Cowan Thompson <newsgroups DeleteThis @REMOVE-THIS-tgct.net>
 >...
   >> > When I was looking for a service like this I remember 2checkout.com
   >> > being a good deal
   >> >

<begun by abracad>
   >> > > I am planning a small internet business and would like to accept
   >> > > credit card payments through my site.
   >> > >
   >> > > I am considering using PayPal in this respect because it is a well
   >> > > known and trudted brand which gives reassurance to the buyer. However,
   >> > > I believe that to pay by PayPal buyers must first set up an account
   >> > > with PayPal.
   >> > >
   >> > > Is this likely to be a deterrent?
   >> > >
   >> > > And if so are there any alternative credit card acceptance services
   >> > > that are wll-known and trusted and charge on a percentage of
   >> > > transaction (not fixed-fee) basis?
   >> > >
   >> > > Thanks for any advice on this

Again, it looks like it comes down to personal preference. How about polling?
If you have other sites, you can use an exit script to put up a question to ask
people if they prefer to use paypal, or if it would deter them from buying.
Don't use a "poll" or make it complicated. Just a question like "Do you have a
preference in payment methods? if so, please let me know which you prefer", and
three buttons, Paypal, Other, No preference. I am sure you will find it would
be no more of a deterrent than using an unknown service. I have links to other
services, also. If you want them, you can contact me. I also use Paypal at my
site <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.howtofreelance.com" target="_blank">http://www.howtofreelance.com</a> and have no problems.

I still think it's better to err on the side of familiarity. Surf around and
find other sites that sell items similar to what you are going to offer, and
see how they do it. Probably half of them use paypal, im sure. Don't try
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