800 Width webstie -- left aligned or centered?

"Ringo Langly" <rlangly DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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 > Hi all,
 >
 > I try to either make my sites width 100% to span the entire browser or
 > width 800 so the site will look the same for all users no matter what
 > their screen is set to -- given it's width 800 or higher.
 >
 > When doing 800 width websites I ALWAYS center the page, but I see folks
 > who left align the pages instead. For some reason this left alignment
 > of the entire page always throws me off... what's the standard, if
 > any, or what do you guys prefer? I know it's the same screen real
 > estate either way, but I just hate seeing all that blank space to the
 > right of the site when left aligned.
 >
 > Just curious if anyone has other thoughts on this. Left or Center...
 >
 > Ringo
 >

Center and set it at 700px.
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"Ringo Langly" <rlangly RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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 > Hi all,
 >
 > I try to either make my sites width 100% to span the entire browser or
 > width 800 so the site will look the same for all users no matter what
 > their screen is set to -- given it's width 800 or higher.
 >
 > When doing 800 width websites I ALWAYS center the page, but I see folks
 > who left align the pages instead. For some reason this left alignment
 > of the entire page always throws me off... what's the standard, if
 > any, or what do you guys prefer? I know it's the same screen real
 > estate either way, but I just hate seeing all that blank space to the
 > right of the site when left aligned.
 >
 > Just curious if anyone has other thoughts on this. Left or Center...

A few thoughts:

1) Asking about fixed width pages will probably just get you alot of replies
about how you shouldn't go with fixed width.
2) If you go with "800 pixels" wide... remember that the scrollbar takes up
some space, as do the page margins (the white space around the page)
3) If you go with fixed width it should be centered. Sticking to the left
is for people who presume everybody has an 800x640 monitor or only open
windows exactly 800 wide

Personally, I can't see any reason to go with a fixed width layout: 800 wide
monitors are pretty old nowadays, most (but not all) people have atleast
1024 wide nowadays... but if you go with 1024 or higher you end up cutting
out part of the site for people with smaller/older monitors or who don't
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On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 09:39:03 -0800, SmakDaddy wrote:

 > "Ringo Langly" <rlangly RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
 > news:1109608849.033017.4850@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
  >> Hi all,
  >>
  >> I try to either make my sites width 100% to span the entire browser or
  >> width 800 so the site will look the same for all users no matter what
  >> their screen is set to -- given it's width 800 or higher.
  >>
  >> When doing 800 width websites I ALWAYS center the page, but I see folks
  >> who left align the pages instead. For some reason this left alignment
  >> of the entire page always throws me off... what's the standard, if
  >> any, or what do you guys prefer? I know it's the same screen real
  >> estate either way, but I just hate seeing all that blank space to the
  >> right of the site when left aligned.
  >>
  >> Just curious if anyone has other thoughts on this. Left or Center...
  >>
  >> Ringo
  >>
 >
 > Center and set it at 700px.
 >

Why 700? It should be 780 to make up for the scroll bars.

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In article <1109608849.033017.4850.TakeThisOut@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
rlangly.TakeThisOut@gmail.com says...
 > Hi all,
 >
 > I try to either make my sites width 100% to span the entire browser or
 > width 800 so the site will look the same for all users no matter what
 > their screen is set to -- given it's width 800 or higher.
 >
 > When doing 800 width websites I ALWAYS center the page, but I see folks
 > who left align the pages instead. For some reason this left alignment
 > of the entire page always throws me off... what's the standard, if
 > any, or what do you guys prefer? I know it's the same screen real
 > estate either way, but I just hate seeing all that blank space to the
 > right of the site when left aligned.
 >
 > Just curious if anyone has other thoughts on this. Left or Center...
 >
 > Ringo
 >
 >
Center it and don't make it the full 800 pixels. I would use 725 - 750
to account for the vertical scrollbar on the right. If you use 800
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Ringo Langly wrote:

 > I try to either make my sites width 100% to span the entire browser or
 > width 800 so the site will look the same for all users no matter what
 > their screen is set to -- given it's width 800 or higher.

Check your size here.
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://home.rochester.rr.com/bshagnasty/" target="_blank">http://home.rochester.rr.com/bshagnasty/</a>
Scroll down to: "Check your browser window size, in pixels:"
There are two grids. You should set your body margins and paddings to
0, though, due to browser inconsistencies, so use the first grid.

 > When doing 800 width websites I ALWAYS center the page, but I see folks
 > who left align the pages instead.

Center. Though I really vote for liquid, so any size works.

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And lo, Beauregard T. Shagnasty didst speak in alt.www.webmaster:

 > Check your size here.
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://home.rochester.rr.com/bshagnasty/</font" target="_blank">http://home.rochester.rr.com/bshagnasty/</font</a>>

Or, alternatively, open the Opera browser, hit ALT+P, choose "Windows" and
check "Show Window Size".
The size of your viewport will then be displayed in Opera's titlebar.

Grey

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spluttered

 >
 >Just curious if anyone has other thoughts on this. Left or Center...

Always Left. Comrade.

Oh, regarding web sites, there are pros and cons, subjectively
speaking, I prefer center.

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saz wrote:
 > In article <1109608849.033017.4850 DeleteThis @f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
 > rlangly DeleteThis @gmail.com says...
  > > Hi all,
  > >
  > > I try to either make my sites width 100% to span the entire browser
or
  > > width 800 so the site will look the same for all users no matter
what
  > > their screen is set to -- given it's width 800 or higher.
  > >
  > > When doing 800 width websites I ALWAYS center the page, but I see
folks
  > > who left align the pages instead. For some reason this left
alignment
  > > of the entire page always throws me off... what's the standard, if
  > > any, or what do you guys prefer? I know it's the same screen real
  > > estate either way, but I just hate seeing all that blank space to
the
  > > right of the site when left aligned.
  > >
  > > Just curious if anyone has other thoughts on this. Left or
Center...
  > >
  > > Ringo
  > >
  > >
 > Center it and don't make it the full 800 pixels. I would use 725 -
750
 > to account for the vertical scrollbar on the right. If you use 800
 > wide, you will have a horizontal scrollbar in 800 x 600.

Hi everyone,

Well I'll probably stick with Center -- that was my plan from the
get-go, but I thought I'd ask. As for width 800, that was just thrown
out there... I do normally stick with width 760 or 780 depending on the
page -- I test on about 10 browsers before going production, and until
all pages have no horizontal scroll bar at width 800 I play with the
physical width.

Thanks for the feedback..

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On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:53:01 -0500, GreyWyvern <spam RemoveThis @greywyvern.com> wrote:
 >
 > Or, alternatively, open the Opera browser, hit ALT+P, choose "Windows"
 > and check "Show Window Size".
 > The size of your viewport will then be displayed in Opera's titlebar.

ok - so we can design for any size we damn well choose and give the
visitor more to think about than just a boring old 'best viewed ...' now
we can tell them the exact pixel size they should be viewing in too

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Matt Probert wrote:
 > Once upon a time, far far away "Ringo Langly" <rlangly.RemoveThis@gmail.com>
 > spluttered
 >
 >
  >>Just curious if anyone has other thoughts on this. Left or Center...
 >
 >
 > Always Left. Comrade.
 >
 > Oh, regarding web sites, there are pros and cons, subjectively
 > speaking, I prefer center.
 >
 > Matt
 >

lol

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GreyWyvern wrote:

 > And lo, Beauregard T. Shagnasty didst speak in alt.www.webmaster:

  >> Check your size here.
<font color=green>  >> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://home.rochester.rr.com/bshagnasty/</font" target="_blank">http://home.rochester.rr.com/bshagnasty/</font</a>>

 > Or, alternatively, open the Opera browser, hit ALT+P, choose "Windows" and
 > check "Show Window Size".
 > The size of your viewport will then be displayed in Opera's titlebar.

The Web Developer extension for Firefox (I don't remember if it works
with Moz) also offers a popup that shows window size and viewport size,
albeit not as conveniently as Opera's title bar display. There may be
an extension that emulates that more closely. Anyone with FF that
hasn't looked at it (Web Developer extension) might find it an
interesting tool -- it's not an editor; it's...well...it's

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.chrispederick.com/work/firefox/webdeveloper/" target="_blank">http://www.chrispederick.com/work/firefox/webdeveloper/</a>

It's got a lot of features. Activate its toolbar and go exploring.

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