Is a 70kb home-page too big?

Phil Payne wrote:
> > Is a home-page too big if it is 70kb in size ?
>
> Yes.

Be serious. if your audience is broadband then thats find, if not then
think about staggering the html so it loads in in bits (i.e. dont use a
wrapper)

mark
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E Bentley wrote:
> Thanks, guys, no I'm not aiming at a broadband-only audience.
>
> Admittedly, 70kb seems too big on MY dial-up connection, but I am
> tempted to believe nobody else has a connection as slow as mine.
>
> On the other hand, I just went to iwebtools.com and tested loading speed
> and it told me my homepage loads in 1.78 seconds . . . but I suppose
> that MUST have been measured under broadband conditions?
>
> Ed.

Ed... and without images!

Mark
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E Bentley <eb.TakeThisOut@members.v21.co.uk> wrote in news:457596fe@news.greennet.net:

> Is a home-page too big if it is 70kb in size ?
>
> All the other pages on my site are about 12kb to 15kb in size.

Is that the size of the HTML, or the size of the HTML and all embedded
images, scripts, CSS, etc?



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E Bentley wrote:

> Is a home-page too big if it is 70kb in size ?

HTML, or the total with images?

It's fine for a total, huge for the page itself.
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> For example, let's look at Yahoo!'s front page. Taken as is, the
> percentage we come up with is just over 2%. Yahoo!'s homepage is
> definitely too big. When you look at the source, you see that the Yahoo!
> developers have included most of their scripts and styles inline, where
> they cannot be properly cached. If Yahoo! served these files external to
> the homepage, the percentage would rise to a much more palatable 8%.

Agreed. Yahoo is not currently a good example.
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And lo, E Bentley didst speak in alt.www.webmaster:

> Is a home-page too big if it is 70kb in size ?
>
> All the other pages on my site are about 12kb to 15kb in size.

The following calculation applies only to the source.

Go to your homepage in any browser and hit CTRL-A then CTRL-C. Open
notepad and hit CTRL-V, then save this file.

Divide the size of this text file (in bytes) into the size of the homepage
source (70kB = 71680 bytes), then multiply by 100 to get a percentage.

Above 10% and you're probably okay. The size of your inline content
(images, flash, etc.) should be a larger concern WRT download times.

If it is less than 10%, you're pushing things.

If it is less than 5%, your homepage is *definitely* too big. A serious
second look at the source is in order.


For example, let's look at Yahoo!'s front page. Taken as is, the
percentage we come up with is just over 2%. Yahoo!'s homepage is
definitely too big. When you look at the source, you see that the Yahoo!
developers have included most of their scripts and styles inline, where
they cannot be properly cached. If Yahoo! served these files external to
the homepage, the percentage would rise to a much more palatable 8%.

Grey

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"trooperbill" <markrush.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in news:1165248814.178677.46990@
79g2000cws.googlegroups.com:

>
> Phil Payne wrote:
>> > Is a home-page too big if it is 70kb in size ?
>>
>> Yes.
>
> Be serious. if your audience is broadband then thats find, if not then
> think about staggering the html so it loads in in bits (i.e. dont use a
> wrapper)

So it loads in bits? What are you talking about?

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> > Is a home-page too big if it is 70kb in size ?
Phil Payne wrote:
> Yes.

What's the highest size one should go to, Phil?

Ed.
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trooperbill wrote

>
> Phil Payne wrote:
>> > Is a home-page too big if it is 70kb in size ?
>>
>> Yes.
>
> Be serious. if your audience is broadband then thats find

OP didn't state it was for a "broadband audience", so the answer is yes.

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Thanks, guys, no I'm not aiming at a broadband-only audience.

Admittedly, 70kb seems too big on MY dial-up connection, but I am
tempted to believe nobody else has a connection as slow as mine.

On the other hand, I just went to iwebtools.com and tested loading speed
and it told me my homepage loads in 1.78 seconds . . . but I suppose
that MUST have been measured under broadband conditions?

Ed.
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On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 16:30:16 GMT, E Bentley <eb.RemoveThis@members.v21.co.uk>
wrote:

>Thanks, guys, no I'm not aiming at a broadband-only audience.
>
>Admittedly, 70kb seems too big on MY dial-up connection, but I am
>tempted to believe nobody else has a connection as slow as mine.
>
>On the other hand, I just went to iwebtools.com and tested loading speed
>and it told me my homepage loads in 1.78 seconds . . . but I suppose
>that MUST have been measured under broadband conditions?
>
>Ed.

Hi Ed
You could use Space Liner Remover from :
http://www. tucows.com/preview/343145

It will help you bring it down a bit in size. [and it's free]

hth
plh
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Karl Groves wrote:
> Is that the size of the HTML, or the size of the HTML and all embedded
> images, scripts, CSS, etc?

Thanks, Karl. It's the size of the page as displayed in Explorer. I
don't think it involves the size of images stored separately in a
sub-directory.

Ed.
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E Bentley <eb DeleteThis @members.v21.co.uk> wrote in news:4575a840@news.greennet.net:

> Karl Groves wrote:
>> Is that the size of the HTML, or the size of the HTML and all embedded
>> images, scripts, CSS, etc?
>
> Thanks, Karl. It's the size of the page as displayed in Explorer. I
> don't think it involves the size of images stored separately in a
> sub-directory.
>

Let's backtrack a little:

The end user doesn't just download the page. Unless these items are cached,
they also download your external stylesheet, any external scripts, and all
images.

So, your total document weight is the page and *everything else* that comes
with it.

The ultimate test for this is to view the page over a dialup connection. If
it takes longer than 10 seconds for the page to render, it is too big.
Don't view 10 seconds as your goal, though. 10 seconds should be the
absolute limit.


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